Their Method of doing Windmill

• Jando wrote on 2011-01-12 09:53

  Quote from Sunureu13;279109:

  Oh man I keep derping on making this video. Which would you prefer?
  
  - Snow Golem Adv
  - Forest Golem Adv
  - Snow Golem HM

  
  
  I wouldn't mind having all 3 if you don't mind.
  
  

  Quote from Adrianblade;281863:

  Adv Their Method = 8min on avg
  So l usually do 6 in a hr
  After which l get bored and do something else =]
  Hardmode tho is a diff story ;-; But tbh hm in general isnt that much better than adv in the case of ability to spam until much later levels

  
  
  Hardmore really requires a lot of damage and 'good runs' usually require being lucky with crits. I'm about to alter some of the things in my guide since its outdated, well outdated for me atleast since I'm a good +700 levels now and can do HM in around 10 - 14mins.
  
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  Things in update:
  - More detail on equips
  - More detail on stats
  - More Videos
  - Video's explaining tactics such as Herding, using walls, Smart WM
  - Average gold per run (test out of 10 runs) on HM.
  
  I'll think up more stuff when the time comes I update it.
• Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-01-12 11:26
  Have you seen the Elite reward yet? :D 98000 EXP 10000 GOLD, sadly don't know Zombie Exp or Health... Well at the moment my fastest run untrans has been 10.30, hopefully this will decrease to around 8-9min after G13. And hopefully can do 15-20min Elite :D
• Jando wrote on 2011-01-12 11:54

  Quote from Animefreak97;287585:

  Have you seen the Elite reward yet? :D 98000 EXP 10000 GOLD, sadly don't know Zombie Exp or Health... Well at the moment my fastest run untrans has been 10.30, hopefully this will decrease to around 8-9min after G13. And hopefully can do 15-20min Elite :D

  
  
  Thats truely insane...not looking forward to their hp, def and protection values though. Educated guess would put them at:
  
  HP: 3200
  DEF: 49
  Prot: 65%
  EXP: 2,240 (m) - 2,400 (f)
  Gold: 140 - 3,500
  Combat Power: 4,500
  Battle participation exp: 210
  
  Which would then put the total exp of the mission:
  
  98,000 + (44 x 210) + (22 x 2,240) + (22 x 2,400) =
  
  98,000 + 9,420 + 49,280 + 52,800 = 209,500 Exp.
  
  basic:int ratio - 41,039/21,920 = 1.87
  int:adv ratio - 72,250/41,039 = 1.76
  adv:hm ratio - 125,440/72,250 = 1.74
  
  (1.76 + 1.87 + 1.74)/3 = 1.79 average making estimated total exp from x1 exp Elite TM: 218,265
  
  I'm now interested in your equipment, damage range and stats. I've been neglecting str by putting r1 FH hold (currently r5) and same with carpentry (r9 atm). Sword Mastery will be nice boost and its nice that down attack and blunt mastery both add a decent amount of str.
• Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-01-13 03:23
  Well that 10.30 time was indeed with a Broom (not the fastest in-game.)
  
  Well my in-game stats are lower then yours (from you SCC HM thread) because of my enchants, I recently haven't invested in any end-game enchants because I knew G13 was come and they would all be obsolete thus keeping all my noob enchants is ftw atm.
  
  My current damage with my 54-91 Ego Gladius + Crafted Goddess Caliburn 222 Gem Broads is only 251 Max sadly this is with 212 Base Str, but if my equips were exactly like your I would have around 270-275 Max damage.
  
  By G13 I hope to have 300 Max which shouldn't be too hard and for Nexon to release Ego Change Cards one day I hope so I change my ego to a Bast which will have 100+ Max by then. :D
• Fabian wrote on 2011-01-14 21:01
  I finally got a diamond in Their Method....it was the second try on my giant alt lol (my human has run it more than a hundred times and no diamonds xD).
• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-15 00:19

  Quote from Fabian;290387:

  I finally got a diamond in Their Method....it was the second try on my giant alt lol (my human has run it more than a hundred times and no diamonds xD).

  
  
  I also haven't received a Diamond. I've run probably 500 so far.
• Jando wrote on 2011-01-15 06:56

  Quote from Fabian;290387:

  I finally got a diamond in Their Method....it was the second try on my giant alt lol (my human has run it more than a hundred times and no diamonds xD).

  
  
  I've gotten x2 2cm Diamonds in Adv and x1 3cm Diamond in HM so far, but also have gotten 4 Burgundy Bear ES' from it. 3 from ADV and 1 from HM. All based on luck.
• OO7 wrote on 2011-01-15 18:39
  I remember seeing this guide.
  Then you applied.
  Then I never made the connection.
  
  
  :' ( I'm such a horrible person.
• TheKartheus wrote on 2011-01-15 23:44

  Quote from Animefreak97;288612:

  
  By G13 I hope to have 300 Max which shouldn't be too hard and for Nexon to release Ego Change Cards one day I hope so I change my ego to a Bast which will have 100+ Max by then. :D

  
  
  I have never even heard so much as a rumor of ego change cards before...
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-16 00:17

  Quote from Sunureu13;290615:

  I also haven't received a Diamond. I've run probably 500 so far.

  
  
  same, im yet to get a diamond on their method, already got 2 on scc hm. But never on their method hm
• Sebbies wrote on 2011-01-16 00:22
  I've gotten ~6 diamonds so far going from basic to int to adv, thought I had bad luck, but I guess not.
• Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-01-19 08:57
  Vast: Max Damage+10|Critical+5%|Will+10|Enchant Scroll (Their Method - Elite) Cries
  The Mabinogi Enchant Database has been updated.
  Infest is now Swarming and I heard is an extremely rare Ceo Island field boss drop.
  Dexterity is now Artistry.
• Jando wrote on 2011-01-19 14:04
  NUUUUU THEY CHANGED WHERE VAST WILL BE DROPPED! Q-Q
• Adrianblade wrote on 2011-01-19 21:07
  Elite huh......oh god you have to be kidding me
• truefire wrote on 2011-01-20 05:24
  Excellent guide. Reading through it, it was like reliving every little thing I learned about Their Method via trial and error. I never considered Barrier Spikes for future wall herding, that was an invaluable gem for me. Of course, I've still got about 400 lvls before HM so it'll be awhile before that's an issue, and I was eventually planning to work on Barrier Spikes regardless when I start ranged training and working on RA qualifications. Since you said you've never run Int, I will say this: Intermediate is alright, but in regards to exp efficiency, Advanced is where it really takes off, so you didn't miss much.
  
  I did have one thing I disagreed on, though. You said the best swords to dual wield for this mission were broads at 200+ dex, but I'd wager that 204 min-emphatic Bastards are better, particularly those with 22-37 damage prior to upgrades. Their balance is comparable to broads, their max is slightly higher, their min is substantially higher, and due to the generous requirement of only 30% crit for Their Method, the high crit of Broads isn't as vital (if you've got dex-based balance that high, crit should already be a non-issue via enchants or Will from skills, luck, crit or will titles). They're simply more optimized for Their Method in terms of damage output (hpw, wpz, and hpcw considered). 22-37 upgraded optimally becomes 35-80 damage.
  
  My personal best for Adv. Their Method was 6 mins while transed. I usually get 'er done in 8-9 mins. 10 or more if I have to afk or if lag is affecting me severely. One thing I will note is that Their Method can be very laggy at times which is odd as any other SMs I do don't have that issue. Not sure why it only affects Their Method.