I don't agree with homosexuality

• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-05 19:06
  I don't think anyone should be proud of being a homophobe.
  
  If a gay guy hits on ya, just reject him nicely, like you would with any girl who comes on to you.
  
  If the person becomes forceful, that's called harassment and you have a right to defend yourself, either verbally or physically (if you must).
  
  Doesn't have to do anything with that person's sexual orientation.
  
  
  Some guys are just too insecure with their own sexuality (or disgusted with the other person's sexuality) to modestly turn a person down.
  
  A friend of mine has gone to gay clubs to party before and he's completely straight. He's confident enough with himself to pull a stunt like that. No immaturity involved or calling gays "fags" and whatnot. None of that sort.
  
  He's a real swell guy.
  
  Judgments only cloud your mind, guys.
• Byte wrote on 2010-10-05 19:09

  Quote from Phunkie;176354:

  I don't think anyone should be proud of being a homophobe.
  
  If a gay guy hits on ya, just reject him nicely, like you would with any girl who comes on to you.
  
  If the person becomes forceful, that's called harassment and you have a right to defend yourself, either verbally or physically (if you must).
  
  Doesn't have to do anything with that person's sexual orientation.

  
  
  I find it extremely disgusting, and going against a lot of my beliefs which is why I'm a homophobe, but I know how to control myself so it's not a huge deal.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-05 19:10

  Quote from Byte;176359:

  I find it extremely disgusting, and going against a lot of my beliefs which is why I'm a homophobe, but I know how to control myself so it's not a huge deal.

  
  
  Again, disgust playing a big factor in why people think it's wrong.
  
  Shouldn't be like that.
  
  I find it extremely offensive hearing you say that.
• Byte wrote on 2010-10-05 19:12

  Quote from Phunkie;176361:

  Again, disgust playing a big factor in why people think it's wrong.
  
  Shouldn't be like that.

  
  
  That may be true, but I don't want anyone going after my bum bum. *gets tattoo on rear that says "Exit Only"*
  
  Though, as I said, I do hang out with a lot of homosexuals, I just tell them I'd rather not see it in public/around me.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-05 19:13

  Quote from Byte;176364:

  That may be true, but I don't want anyone going after my bum bum. *gets tattoo on rear that says "Exit Only"*
  
  Though, as I said, I do hang out with a lot of homosexuals, I just tell them I'd rather not see it in public/around me.

  
  
  Dude.
  
  Not every gay guy wants to sleep with you.
  
  Get that out of your mind.
  
  What age is this?
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-10-05 19:14
  I don't have anything against the gays, but I'm not religious either :V Everyone lives life in the pursuit of happiness, and if homosexuality is how you achieve happiness, then I don't see it as wrong :l
• IceBlade wrote on 2010-10-05 19:20

  Quote from Bieber;176303:

  Being gay is not a sexual preference. That is not how it starts, it starts in our genes. Just as you are genetically made up to like the opposite sex. All your views based off religion are acquired due to the surroundings you grew up in (ie parents making you go to church). We are genetically made like this yet society tells us otherwise which is why it takes us a while to figure out that were LGBT.

  
  
  

  Quote from Chiri;176316:

  For the most part, the sexual preferences that have been listed here are general attractions (physique, hair color) or fetishes (maid, bdsm), which for the most part seem to have a source of childhood memories, imprinting, or societal pressures.
  
  I sincerely doubt that people would be into loli guro maids with guns and guitars if they had not heard of it first and learned to appreciate it. Likewise, different cultures find completely different human attributes attractive-- things like long necks, tiny & distorted feet, extreme obesity-- which pretty much indicates these things are heavily based on society.
  
  What makes orientation different is that it exists despite any environmental factors to the contrary.

  
  
  Could you two show me the genes responsible for people being gay? And wouldn't a genetic reason for being gay, mean that there would be a family history of it?
  
  I believe it's a little bit of both. One of my Bi friends once said that they believe everyone are attracted to both sexes, most people are just more attracted to a specific sex. So I believe it's partly genetic and partly your circumstance and upbringing.
  
  But since nether of use can prove that it's genetic or circumstance or both, we should probably leave it at that.
  
  My reason for saying that what we call sexual preferences aren't necessarily acquired. As an example, some people get sexual pleasure from certain kinds of pain. So how is that possible to be acquired, unless the person didn't have some sort of genetic or physiological reason for it?
  
  

  Quote from Chiri;176323:

  By the way, if I'm not Christian, I don't see why I have to be bound by a book that's over 2000 years old. The legal system should remain secular and be separate from the Bible or any other religious text. Divorce is largely disagreed upon by Christians, but they can just choose to not get divorces. It doesn't doesn't have to change them or their lifestyles.

  
  
  I never said you have to be bound by it, nor that laws should be changed by it. Like I said it's your choice.
  
  

  Quote from Bieber;176328:

  And If I believe God isn't real?

  
  
  It's your choice to believe or not. Just be prepared to bear the consequences, which shouldn't be a problem since you don't believe and according to you there is none.
  
  

  Quote from Phunkie;176331:

  Thank you for that, really.
  
  However, I don't agree with religion's stance on the whole, "you can love everyone, but you just can't lie in bed with another man." Or have sex before marriage and whatnot.
  
  It's silly to me.
  
  You can be in love with another man (Bible doesn't condemn you for that), but you can't make love to that same man?
  
  Lots of hypocrisies in the Bible and therefore I disregard it. Should not play a significant role in anyone's life. There are Christians out there who advocate love and just love. You don't believe in Jesus, but are a good, kind-hearted person throughout your life? 'Course you're going to Heaven.
  
  That sort of stuff.
  
  An external presence such as God cannot choose what is right or what is wrong for us. We make our own rules and we should base those rules upon what is fair and what is not fair. Condemning people because of their sexual orientation is wrong. Let's not even bring the whole marriage deal into play here.
  
  If love is a sin, then it is one of the most beautiful sins that has ever existed. Love is beautiful, no matter in what shape or size. And that's what we should all advocate: love. Not hatred, not fear or injustice, but simply love.
  
  If there is a God, I believe Him to be all-loving, no matter what. I'm just sorry Christians blow ancient verses way out of proportion.

  
  
  Just as it's silly to you, it's silly to me that you don't believe there's a God that created everything and that's looking over you and taking care of you. It must be very scared to think you have to go trough life alone, not having anyone to look over you and protect you.
  
  The bible having allot of hypocrisies is because even though the bible was inspired by God, it was still written and translated by humans, how are fallible by nature.
  
  Love is beautiful but it's not a sin and sex is not love. Sex is a biological action and to some extent p[FONT=&quot]erceived [/FONT] as an act of love, but it's in no way love. You can have a deep and intimate love with out ever having sex.
  
  Anyway, I've wasted enough of my Mabi time. I'll look back tomorrow, or before bed. Depending on how I feel.
  
  edit: Making my two posts one
  
  

  Quote from Chiri;176334:

  :!!: I'm feeling some Freudian animosity.

  
  
  Eh.... don't make fun of me using the wrong words. English isn't my first language.
  
  

  Quote from Intex;176336:

  For example, love and compassion are not logical.
  Therefore humans are not logical beings.
  
  Good logic.

  
  
  Thanks hehe
  
  

  Quote from Phunkie;176339:

  Wow! Sorry, I just did the worst moderator fail of my life.
  
  I'll retrieve your post in a moment, IceBlade.
  
  Edit: Sorry! I was trying to reply to something you said, but I ended up editing it instead. It's back now.

  
  
  Don't worry, I didn't even notice.
  
  You guys are to fast for me :(
• IceBlade wrote on 2010-10-05 19:25

  Quote from Chiri;176334:

  :!!: I'm feeling some Freudian animosity.

  
  
  Eh.... don't make fun of me using the wrong words. English isn't my first language.
  
  

  Quote from Intex;176336:

  For example, love and compassion are not logical.
  Therefore humans are not logical beings.
  
  Good logic.

  
  
  Thanks hehe
  
  

  Quote from Phunkie;176339:

  Wow! Sorry, I just did the worst moderator fail of my life.
  
  I'll retrieve your post in a moment, IceBlade.
  
  Edit: Sorry! I was trying to reply to something you said, but I ended up editing it instead. It's back now.

  
  
  Don't worry, I didn't even notice.
  
  You guys are to fast for me :(
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-05 19:27

  Quote from IceBlade;176378:

  Just as it's silly to you, it's silly to me that you don't believe there's a God that created everything and that's looking over you and taking care of you. It must be very scared to think you have to go trough life alone, not having anyone to look over you and protect you.
  
  The bible having allot of hypocrisies is because even though the bible was inspired by God, it was still written and translated by humans, how are fallible by nature.
  
  Love is beautiful but it's not a sin and sex is not love. Sex is a biological action and to some extent p[FONT=&quot]erceived [/FONT] as an act of love, but it's in no way love. You can have a deep and intimate love with out ever having sex.
  
  Anyway, I've wasted enough of my Mabi time. I'll look back tomorrow, or before bed. Depending on how I feel.

  
  
  I have my parents and the people I love looking over me. They protect me and catch me when I'm falling. And you know what's the best part about them? I know they're real.
  
  I'm not alone. I've never been alone.
  
  Written and translated by humans... hmm, doesn't that make you wonder? The Bible is not the word of the God, it is the word of Man. And Man can be smart sometimes, using tricky tools and techniques to fool the masses into doing something.
  
  You can definitely have a deep and intimate love without ever having sex, but it is fair to forbid gays from having sex because this action is considered a sin, according to the Bible? Probably not. So why enforce it when there's a bunch of other rules in that silly ol' book that people don't enforce?
  
  You know why? Because hardcore Christians loooooove to pick and choose verses to their advantage. If you're gonna listen to the Bible, please listen to it in its entirety.
  
  If not, why are you here poking at me because I'm not following one rule you particularly like when you yourself don't follow a thousand other rules? Let's be consistent now.
  
  This is why your argument is silly to me.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2010-10-05 20:08

  Quote from Phunkie;176361:

  Again, disgust playing a big factor in why people think it's wrong.
  
  Shouldn't be like that.
  
  I find it extremely offensive hearing you say that.

  
  
  I don't really see why thinking something is disgusting is wrong. I bet most people here consider pedophilia to be wrong, and the fact of the matter is that just because a pedophile would get offended at that does not change the fact that pedophilia is disgusting. At any rate, there can be no rational denial of the fact that homosexuality is unnatural and not supposed to happen in nature. The cases where it does happen in nature are the exception, not the rule.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-05 20:17

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;176416:

  I don't really see why thinking something is disgusting is wrong. I bet most people here consider pedophilia to be wrong, and the fact of the matter is that just because a pedophile would get offended at that does not change the fact that pedophilia is disgusting. At any rate, there can be no rational denial of the fact that homosexuality is unnatural and not supposed to happen in nature. The cases where it does happen in nature are the exception, not the rule.

  
  
  Might as well throw in bestiality while you're at it, yeah?
  
  Again, these are all absurd comparisons. Gay people can legally consent.
• Chiri wrote on 2010-10-05 20:24

  Quote from IceBlade;176378:

  Could you two show me the genes responsible for people being gay? And wouldn't a genetic reason for being gay, mean that there would be a family history of it?
  
  I believe it's a little bit of both. One of my Bi friends once said that they believe everyone are attracted to both sexes, most people are just more attracted to a specific sex. So I believe it's partly genetic and partly your circumstance and upbringing.

  
  
  Oh, I'll agree that both play a factor.
  
  Gene expression is a pretty complex process though, so pinpointing a specific 'gay gene' is not easy, and has not been done. The general idea is that there are a combination of genes that contribute to sexual orientation. Anyway, there have been studies that suggest being gay is inherent. If one twin is gay, that raises the likelihood of the other being gay.
  
  My argument is just that I don't like liking maids is quite so inborne as being attracted to males or females.
  
  Can I blame my genetics for not being attracted to boys or girls on a wide scale? Maybe, maybe not, but I think it's not something other people should be disgusted by.
• starpaw7 wrote on 2010-10-05 20:29

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;176416:

  At any rate, there can be no rational denial of the fact that homosexuality is unnatural and not supposed to happen in nature. The cases where it does happen in nature are the exception, not the rule.

  
  
  Humans are part of nature, are they not?
  
  
  
  I would rather see proof that homosexuality is unnatural; often there is no coincedence that what is condemned this "unnatural" also happens to be condemned by the person's religous/cultural traditions, nor of what they normally see.
• Chiri wrote on 2010-10-05 20:37

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;176416:

  The cases where it does happen in nature are the exception, not the rule.

  
  
  Homosexual behavior has been cited to occur in ~1,500 species, and is well documented for 500 of them [Bagemihl (1999)].
  From that list, there are 216 mammals. 148 birds. 15 fish. 29 reptiles. 4 amphibians. 71 insects.
  
  And the list is incomplete, because not many species get behaviorists studying them.
  How are any of these species an exception?
• Kueh wrote on 2010-10-05 20:41

  Quote from IceBlade;176378:

  Could you two show me the genes responsible for people being gay?

  
  
  Can you show the the genes that determines eye color? No you cannot. Can you show the the genes that determine metabolism or height? No. Sometimes, it may be hundreds of genes that determine a single factor. This is also a logical fallacy called Appeal to Ignorance, where you claim that the lack of evidence somehow proves something.
  
  

  Quote from IceBlade;176378:

  And wouldn't a genetic reason for being gay, mean that there would be a family history of it?

  
  
  No. There are many genetic related factors that have little to no family history and then they just somehow show up. A wonderful example is albinism in Africans. For hundreds to thousands of generations back, no single member of a pedigree ever showed a sign of being albino, yet a child was born being albino, and that was a genetic cause.