Whatever happened to Fantasy Life? T_T

• Apex wrote on 2010-10-10 06:02

  Quote from Ailyene;180597:

  ^ Whoa, that wall of pink text killed my eyes.
  
  Anyways, I'm finding it rather sad that some people are saying rich people are "fools". Why should someone answer you just because you ask the public a question? I'm personally in Dunbarton a lot and if someone needs help (and they ask in like proper grammar/nicely...not in annoying chatspeak such as plz wr cn i go 2 gt mne), I might answer them depending on whether I'm feeling nice. Still, it's not like anyone is obliged to start chatting with random strangers. I almost never received help from anyone outside my guild ever since I joined Mabinogi and I don't see why it's rude to not help a random person. It's not like in real life, we go around giving money to random people who look like they might be going through a financial struggle.
  
  Also, I'm not too sure why people are getting mad at "rich/pro" people...? I'm pretty sure just as many level 500s are unwilling to help others as level 2000s are.
  
  Plus, no one ever had to teach me how to fight either. I learned through experience or I googled. I mean, google is everyone's friend...most of the time.

  
  
  Agreed with both statements. My eyes hurt badly trying to read that wall of bright pink. Keiko's SOLIGHTTHATASIANEYESTURNEDSUPERASIAN to read Pink wasn't much better.
• Serathx wrote on 2010-10-10 06:18
  Yeah, the community now is worse than the community I first met in G1.
  Everyone just seems to care less about other players.
  Also, Dragonite....uh, I agree with most that the pink text is really harsh on the eyes.
  Try using another color?
• DragoniteAce wrote on 2010-10-10 07:00
  ((I'm going to use another one; this one you see right now.... >> the purple << ....but later))
  
  First >>>> Its supposed to be light purple not pink. Anyhow you dont get my point. Im not talking about randomly going around helping people but helping someone who asks you and not being rude. There's alot of garbage going on like that and yes Rich/Pro people do it alot. I see them do it more than average 500 players do. Besides why are you on the game if you're just sitting for hours and doing nothing? are you serious? get off the game then and go find something else to do. Btw Ailyene, you said why should you answer someone's question. Why should you not? So you're telling me that you're just going to ignore them and that you'd only answer them if you feel "nice enough"? i find that disrespectful and seriously rude and a good example of what im talking about in my posts >>> if you read them carefully and really think about what im saying not what you dont like about what im saying <<< what im saying is showing common curtousy is nice regardless of where you are. EndlessDreams, what you're telling me about "boring dungeon" is exactly what i mentioned in my posts and you're only reinforcing my point. So what if its boring? You're telling me that we should all just say flat out "no" without reason to anyone who needs help and asks for it just because its boring and we dont want to? And people aren't just "relaxing" i dont think you can sit in the game in the same place for an hour "relaxing" what are you doing in the game then? you're only wasting your time which i dont get if you're doing nothing at all just sitting there looking like you're afk even if you're not. I'm not saying you should walk up to a random stranger and help them, but why wouldn't you help someone who asks for it? Ailyene you mentioned something about going around handing out stuff to random people in real life like its a bad thing. I don't get how that'd be a bad thing and how doing something like that in mabinogi would be a bad thing either. I never said anything about helping random people who you dont know, and seriously SO WHAT? if someone you dont know in real life or in mabinogi (what were talking about here, i dont know where you brought the real life stuff from) comes to you and asks you to help them why does it matter whether you know them or not? SO WHAT if you've never met them in the game before, does that mean you cant show a little bit of friendliness to others and be nice and help them rather than ignore them? what you're saying is an exact example of what im talking about of what i see wrong with the game and what Sevian and Serathx are talking about. Also, why can help only come from guild members or google? you're telling me that as soon as you joined the game you had a guild? well i didnt and alot of the new players i still see whenever i visit Tir dont. What's the point of having a game community if everyone act like jerks to each other and exclude everyone outside their group of "known" friend? Whats the point of an MMORPG [COLOR=darkorchid](Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) if everyone is off into their own little group? why not make it just an RPG? Your logic makes no sense at all and you need to come up with a better reason than the one you're giving me since im not buying it. I agree with you when you said "why should we randomly help people" but i dont agree with you at the same time because you said that we shouldn't help those who ask unless we feel "nice" or whatever.[/COLOR]
  
  Anyhow..... that is all from me for now :tea:
• Edenlilium wrote on 2010-10-10 07:44

  Quote from DragoniteAce;180377:

  Hahhaa ah yeah that sucks i really understand what you mean:stress: I joined this game not long ago.... so i didnt see alot of what you say used to be the way it was. But i saw alot of what you say people do here, and i HATE it :mad2: don't you hate it when you see idiots sitting around doing nothing but flashing off their cute or million gold clothes. Don't you hate it when you see girls running around making all these lol emotes for no reason even thought its not funny?:mad:(i want to punch them for that and tell them to shut up with those ":D" "XD" or "lol" comments....they spam them even when its not funny)
  
  Don't you REALLY hate IT when you see "MABI COUPLES" sitting and "hugging" or making kissing emotes and all that crap..... IT PISSES ME OFFFFFFF :mad2:
  Don't you hate it when you ask others to come with you to run math and they say "what for?" or ask you "whats in it for them" or ask you what level dung it is and if its not "adv" or higher they say; "too easy or boring". I get annoyed as hell when im stuck on something like G3 or G9 and i just wanna go run a dungeon, to fill up my wasted time because im getting bored, but other people dont want to because its too "boring" for them; as if just running around in a dungeon killing formors with someone else isnt "fun". Don't you hate it when people flash off their expensive ass bull**** clothes that cost millions and laugh at you for wearing ****ty armor?
  (like my armor below which i like because it means something to me, not because its flashy or expensive)
  

  [Image: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs196.ash2/45955_10150246488925128_604355127_14273904_1663434_n.jpg]

  
  
  Don't you hate it when people laugh at you for being weaker? and don't you hate it when they call you a noob with their over 1K levels? Don't you hate it when they give you hard time when you ask for help in something and tell you, "were busy" when theyre clearly not, or tell you the're too bored to do anything? (more like too lazy) What happened to helping just for a good cause? When i was doing my G2 Ideals i had people asking me for 10K just to be my ideal. CAN you Believe it?!!!! i had to spend 50K just to get ideals dont since people charged you for it!!! How cheap can you be? why can't you help someone just because you genuinly want to rather than charge them for it? Why are
  people going into EvG just so they can camp others and make fun of them while them and their friends use cheap skills like icebolt and range rank 1 (which people over-glorify since i think its the most bull**** skill you can ever get since you dont need to work for a kill, just sit there and the formors will die just like that) camp you and laugh at you about it. Where did "fighting for fun" go? now-a-days people dont fight for fun or to test their skills but to see how ****ty you are or how pro they are (ive met many assholes like that who challenge me just to make themselves look pro by kicking my ass and bousting about it later to their friends right infront of me) What's wrong with all the people in mabinogi who are just garbage trolls acting all cool and not really playing for the game for the spirit of it? Thats not why i joined this game, i joined it because i wanted to have fun; to fool around and do cool stuff; to kill bosses with others and laugh about it; to sit around and chill rather than argue about how "good my equipment is compared to yours".
  
  So in that sense i totally and completely agree with you Arty, i feel that something should be done to get people to act more like "people" agian and stop being the stupid, selfish, inconsiderate, little pricks they are. The community is unfortunately suffering from mediocracy of the idiots who are running around in the game these days. I think that a group or guild should be formed thats based on the unionized beliefs that i see alot of you here share which i respect and like :tea:I think that we need to raise awareness about this issue somehow, especially in a server like mine, Alexina, where these people run amock and theres no end to them. I dont understand, but in the period of the 7 months i've been on mabinogi, i noticed that the amount of people who act like this has increased..... and i mean increased out of proportion o.O This is only bad for the game's community and will only make the game lose it's respect amongst the general population as well as its reputation for being an interactive and involved game where you dont just play the game but also really get into the spirit of the game.

  
  
  ........I....completly agree with EVERYTHING you just wrote. The last time i played, there was always campfires to join, music (even newbie music) always playing in the background, people just wearing regular clothing instead of the flashy expensive outfits i see everywhere, and crowded dungeons. Now that i came back, all i see is PvPs, crowded selling shops( SUPER crowded,especially in Alexina),noobs just abadoning their first campires instead of appreciating them, and the list goes on. Me and a friend of mine were once talking about how empty Ciar dungeon is now. And i cant stand all the noob haters. How they just call you a noob for evrything you do. How you dress, the equipment you have, and the skills you use. Its getting annoying -_-' it reminds of this one time during the G1 Main Scenario quest in Alby i did one the one tiny mistake of accidentallly dropping the necklace and everyone started calling me a noob. Firts time i got called a noob T_T
• ShadowFox31 wrote on 2010-10-10 08:26

  Quote from DragoniteAce;180618:

  ((I'm going to use another one; this one you see right now.... >> the purple << ....but later))
  
  First >>>> Its supposed to be light purple not pink. Anyhow you dont get my point. Im not talking about randomly going around helping people but helping someone who asks you and not being rude. There's alot of garbage going on like that and yes Rich/Pro people do it alot. I see them do it more than average 500 players do. Besides why are you on the game if you're just sitting for hours and doing nothing? are you serious? get off the game then and go find something else to do. Btw Ailyene, you said why should you answer someone's question. Why should you not? So you're telling me that you're just going to ignore them and that you'd only answer them if you feel "nice enough"? i find that disrespectful and seriously rude and a good example of what im talking about in my posts >>> if you read them carefully and really think about what im saying not what you dont like about what im saying <<< what im saying is showing common curtousy is nice regardless of where you are. EndlessDreams, what you're telling me about "boring dungeon" is exactly what i mentioned in my posts and you're only reinforcing my point. So what if its boring? You're telling me that we should all just say flat out "no" without reason to anyone who needs help and asks for it just because its boring and we dont want to? And people aren't just "relaxing" i dont think you can sit in the game in the same place for an hour "relaxing" what are you doing in the game then? you're only wasting your time which i dont get if you're doing nothing at all just sitting there looking like you're afk even if you're not. I'm not saying you should walk up to a random stranger and help them, but why wouldn't you help someone who asks for it? Ailyene you mentioned something about going around handing out stuff to random people in real life like its a bad thing. I don't get how that'd be a bad thing and how doing something like that in mabinogi would be a bad thing either. I never said anything about helping random people who you dont know, and seriously SO WHAT? if someone you dont know in real life or in mabinogi (what were talking about here, i dont know where you brought the real life stuff from) comes to you and asks you to help them why does it matter whether you know them or not? SO WHAT if you've never met them in the game before, does that mean you cant show a little bit of friendliness to others and be nice and help them rather than ignore them? what you're saying is an exact example of what im talking about of what i see wrong with the game and what Sevian and Serathx are talking about. Also, why can help only come from guild members or google? you're telling me that as soon as you joined the game you had a guild? well i didnt and alot of the new players i still see whenever i visit Tir dont. What's the point of having a game community if everyone act like jerks to each other and exclude everyone outside their group of "known" friend? Whats the point of an MMORPG [COLOR=darkorchid](Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) if everyone is off into their own little group? why not make it just an RPG? Your logic makes no sense at all and you need to come up with a better reason than the one you're giving me since im not buying it. I agree with you when you said "why should we randomly help people" but i dont agree with you at the same time because you said that we shouldn't help those who ask unless we feel "nice" or whatever.[/COLOR]
  
  Anyhow..... that is all from me for now :tea:

  
  
  Raging about not enough kindness? isn't that an oxymoron?
  
  All I'm going to say is this. Look at yourself before judging others.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-10 09:00
  Thats why, I made it an oath myself to help out anyone in need when I'm not busy.
• Ailyene wrote on 2010-10-10 09:19

  Quote from ShadowFox31;180640:

  Raging about not enough kindness? isn't that an oxymoron?
  
  All I'm going to say is this. Look at yourself before judging others.

  
  
  This.
  
  @DragoniteAce:
  
  1) Why shouldn't I answer someone's question? Well, let's see...if I answered every single question that people asked in public, I'd be answering them all the time. I dunno, maybe sometimes I'm having a big chat with my guild or friends and I don't have the time or motivation to answer someone's question? What I'm saying is that I don't see how it's RUDE to not answer someone's question when it's aimed at the public rather than at me. When a question is aimed at the public, anyone can answer. So not every single one of us is required to answer or else it's being "mean".
  
  2) I think I show plenty of common courtesy to people. If someone needs fillers, I will usually fill for them or if someone needs help with a big dungeon like G3 final or whatever, I may help at the expense of my own potions/weapon durability/whatever with nothing expected in return. What's bad is that most of the people I help aren't even properly prepared and end up dooming us all. But anyways, what you're saying sounds like we should help every single person that we ever come across while playing the game if we're not "busy". And I'm saying, why should we?
  
  3) I brought up the real life example because I'm saying that in real life, generally people don't go around helping random people on the streets for no reason while they're just strolling or whatever. I never said it's a bad thing to help people. I just said that we don't spend every waking minute of our lives helping strangers. And if you do, I guess you're an extremely rare person in this world because that's just not how it works.
  
  4) I think a lot of people who sit there and look afk but aren't afk are actually talking in guild chat or PMs. I don't think anyone actually just sits there looking at their screen talking to no one.
  
  Please answer this: Let's just say I'm sitting in Dunbarton having a fun conversation with my friends. If a random person says "can ne1 plz hlp me gt fh" into public chat, why is it being a jerk to not help them when they probably don't even know if I'm there or not? The last time I checked, being a jerk was either insulting them, turning them down very rudely (like no go away you noob), or just trolling them. You see, I didn't know that wanting to have fun was being a jerk. If someone asks me to give them 5 mil and I have 5 mil, would I be a horrible person for not "helping" them by giving it to them?
  
  

  Thats not why i joined this game, i joined it because i wanted to have fun; to fool around and do cool stuff; to kill bosses with others and laugh about it; to sit around and chill rather than argue about how "good my equipment is compared to yours".

  
  
  This is a quote from one of your posts in this thread (you said yourself in the bolded part that you joined the game to sit around and chill, but now you're saying that it's wrong to sit around and chill...? I don't get it. x.x). You apparently joined the game because you wanted to have fun, to fool around, and to do cool stuff.
  
  Well, I joined this game for the very same reasons! But helping 10 different newbies go through ciar basic isn't fun, and it gets tiring and frustrating. Sitting in Dunbarton joking around with friends is fooling around, not wasting time being a jerk by not helping others. I don't have a smile on my face when I'm sick and tired of repeating the same dungeons over and over again for the sake of being nice. Most of these people just say "ty" and take off as well. You'd think they'd at least take out the time to type out a "thanks" after all that time spent helping them?
  
  Anyways, basically what your whole post is saying sounds like we should help everyone in-game whether we want to or not. Like we have an obligation to when we're playing this game. I play this game for fun, not for charity. And if that's not what you're saying, I apologize: it's difficult to read through a huge wall of text and get all the messages, so I kinda skimmed a couple times.
  
  I didn't know that playing Mabinogi meant we're not allowed to sit in town just to chat or have some of our own time.
  
  Also, just from my own personal experience...most of the random people (newbies or high-level - it doesn't matter which type) I've gone to dungeons with are either rude, act like trolls, or just type so badly I can't understand what they're saying...so it's a big turn-off now to go with anyone I don't know to a random dungeon.
  
  Oh crap, I just made a huge big long post myself. zzzzz who's gonna read all that lol.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-10 10:39

  Quote from Ailyene;180643:

  This.
  
  @DragoniteAce:
  
  1) Why shouldn't I answer someone's question? Well, let's see...if I answered every single question that people asked in public, I'd be answering them all the time. I dunno, maybe sometimes I'm having a big chat with my guild or friends and I don't have the time or motivation to answer someone's question? What I'm saying is that I don't see how it's RUDE to not answer someone's question when it's aimed at the public rather than at me. When a question is aimed at the public, anyone can answer. So not every single one of us is required to answer or else it's being "mean".
  
  2) I think I show plenty of common courtesy to people. If someone needs fillers, I will usually fill for them or if someone needs help with a big dungeon like G3 final or whatever, I may help at the expense of my own potions/weapon durability/whatever with nothing expected in return. What's bad is that most of the people I help aren't even properly prepared and end up dooming us all. But anyways, what you're saying sounds like we should help every single person that we ever come across while playing the game if we're not "busy". And I'm saying, why should we?
  
  3) I brought up the real life example because I'm saying that in real life, generally people don't go around helping random people on the streets for no reason while they're just strolling or whatever. I never said it's a bad thing to help people. I just said that we don't spend every waking minute of our lives helping strangers. And if you do, I guess you're an extremely rare person in this world because that's just not how it works.
  
  4) I think a lot of people who sit there and look afk but aren't afk are actually talking in guild chat or PMs. I don't think anyone actually just sits there looking at their screen talking to no one.
  
  Please answer this: Let's just say I'm sitting in Dunbarton having a fun conversation with my friends. If a random person says "can ne1 plz hlp me gt fh" into public chat, why is it being a jerk to not help them when they probably don't even know if I'm there or not? The last time I checked, being a jerk was either insulting them, turning them down very rudely (like no go away you noob), or just trolling them. You see, I didn't know that wanting to have fun was being a jerk. If someone asks me to give them 5 mil and I have 5 mil, would I be a horrible person for not "helping" them by giving it to them?
  
  
  
  This is a quote from one of your posts in this thread (you said yourself in the bolded part that you joined the game to sit around and chill, but now you're saying that it's wrong to sit around and chill...? I don't get it. x.x). You apparently joined the game because you wanted to have fun, to fool around, and to do cool stuff.
  
  Well, I joined this game for the very same reasons! But helping 10 different newbies go through ciar basic isn't fun, and it gets tiring and frustrating. Sitting in Dunbarton joking around with friends is fooling around, not wasting time being a jerk by not helping others. I don't have a smile on my face when I'm sick and tired of repeating the same dungeons over and over again for the sake of being nice. Most of these people just say "ty" and take off as well. You'd think they'd at least take out the time to type out a "thanks" after all that time spent helping them?
  
  Anyways, basically what your whole post is saying sounds like we should help everyone in-game whether we want to or not. Like we have an obligation to when we're playing this game. I play this game for fun, not for charity. And if that's not what you're saying, I apologize: it's difficult to read through a huge wall of text and get all the messages, so I kinda skimmed a couple times.
  
  I didn't know that playing Mabinogi meant we're not allowed to sit in town just to chat or have some of our own time.
  
  Also, just from my own personal experience...most of the random people (newbies or high-level - it doesn't matter which type) I've gone to dungeons with are either rude, act like trolls, or just type so badly I can't understand what they're saying...so it's a big turn-off now to go with anyone I don't know to a random dungeon.
  
  Oh crap, I just made a huge big long post myself. zzzzz who's gonna read all that lol.

  
  
  This on so many levels. Oh and I read it all.
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-10-10 11:34
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the lack of friendly openness does affect the community in some way.
  Sometimes I try and strike a conversation with others in Mabi and they just pretend that I'm not there.
• Xemnas wrote on 2010-10-10 12:21
  I don't know if I count or not but I try to help everyone I can even if there is no reward.
  
  I won't do something rediculous though like run through Defeat the Shadow Wizard int/adv with only 2 people(which someone tried to get me to do)
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-10 15:33

  Quote from DragoniteAce;180618:

  ((I'm going to use another one; this one you see right now.... >> the purple << ....but later))
  
  First >>>> Its supposed to be light purple not pink. Anyhow you dont get my point. Im not t..
  
  (Hugewalloftexthere)
  
  ...me time because you said that we shouldn't help those who ask unless we feel "nice" or whatever.[/COLOR]
  
  Anyhow..... that is all from me for now :tea:

  
  
  Do you know how to use paragraphs?
  
  lol, basically what you are saying that everyone should play a MMORPG your way or it is stupid. It is a MMORPG, and there really isn't one certain way that everyone MUST play. Even in non-MMORPG games, there isn't a certain way that everyone MUST play.
  
  If anything, your wall of text reinforces your lack of friendlessness and arrogance that you are complaining about.
  
  I thought many people play games for fun, and what is fun to them is different for different people.
  It isn't supposed to be a job where you are forced to do certain things.
• Infamy wrote on 2010-10-10 17:10
  If you have the right to request help in public chat, other have the right to ignore it.
  
  If it's rude to ignore such requests, then it's equally rude to make them in the first place.
• DragoniteAce wrote on 2010-10-10 17:30
  [FONT=Arial]Geez you people STILL don't understand my point and are making alot of assumptions about what i'm saying without really thinking about what im saying :mad:[/FONT]
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  lol, basically what you are saying... ...If anything, your wall of text reinforces your lack of friendlessness and arrogance that you are complaining about.

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  [FONT=Arial]@ EndlessDreams [/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]First of all, i never said anything about playing the game my way or its stupid, i didn't even mention a "my way" to play the game. Don't take me for an "arrogant unfriendly" fool since im anything but that. I can't help being rude, and im going to be rude now [COLOR=red](i dont know how you think i was rude before), but you need to go back and reread what i said since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I mentioned alot of things about how a game community can suffer from lack of interaction between other players but clearly you decided to skip through my post rather than read it over slowly and carefully.[/COLOR][/FONT]
  
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  ........I....completly agree with EVERYTHING you just wrote... ...Firts time i got called a noob T_T

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  [FONT=Arial]@ Edenlilium[/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]I agree with what you mention as well as what you're saying about Ciar, and yes people act that way being kinda rude and unfriendly just because you make a mistake as if you're supposed to be perfect and you cant just play the game and have fun rather then do it for a purpose. People judge you as if they expect you to be a certain way or they won't like you.[/FONT]
  
  

  
  [FONT=Arial]Raging about not enough kindness? isn't that an oxymoron?[/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]All I'm going to say is this. Look at yourself before judging others. [/FONT]
  

  
  
  [FONT=Arial]@ ShadowFox31[/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]Critical much? So let me get this from what i understand from your post (correct me if i'm wrong) you're basically calling me a hypocrite? and that im being self-contradictory? I'm not raging about kindness or saying what youre thinking about. I'm only stating what i see, what i don't like, and what i think could be done to make the game a little better; because frankly i can just say "whatever" and not give a damn about anything that happens in the game. But i do give a damn, and i get tired of seeing the same crap go on agian and agian, the same hate that people seem to show each other on the game, especially the "EvG enthusiasts" who like to turn EvG on just to camp people and have a laugh at the people theyre pissing off rather than doing it for "fun". Also, i think you need to also "look at yourself before judging others" because i do look at myself and i make sure i dont judge others superficially or subjectively based on how they look.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]

  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the lack of friendly openness does affect the community in some way

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  [FONT=Arial]Sometimes I try and strike a conversation with others in Mabi and they just pretend that I'm not there.[/FONT]

  
  
  [FONT=Arial]@ Yogurticecream[/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]Exactly the point im trying to make here; thanks for pointing it out.[/FONT]
  
  

  
  [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]@DragoniteAce:[/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial]1) Why shouldn't I answer someone's question?... ...know to a random dungeon.[/FONT][/COLOR]

  
  
  [FONT=Arial]@ Ailyene[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]1) You're not answering my question. I think i mentioned enough times about the lack of respect i find in people not anwering a question im DIRECTING at them in the game. Where is this "general public" thing coming from? you're really going off track and not reading what im posting carefully.

  Im not talking about randomly going around helping people but helping someone who asks you and not being rude.

  DID you not read what i said here? Because this is exacly what i said.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]2) I never said anything about helping everyone you come across, and neither did i SAY anything about going around asking people if they need help if thats what youre thinking. I'm talking about how you can be a little nicer and instead of flat out saying "no, im bored" [COLOR=red](which i get alot from people around me who i talk to) say "sure" when you're ASKED. I'm not talking about wasting your time going around helping people when you need to do something, because i wouldn't waste my time like that either.[/COLOR][/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]3) I dont get how you're misinterpreting what i'm saying and thinking that im saying "we should go around helping people every waking moment of our life". Its not Charity and i never said anything about being "a Charity", so i really have no idea what you're talking about or why you're saying this.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]4) You're using extreme examples here that no one would use. Of course i wouldn't give some random person 5 mil. When did i say i would? See this is my problem; you keep making presumptions about what im saying and filling in words that i didnt even speak. Also, YES its extremely rude to ignore a person, because i've seen people who "Look AFK" but are not, because i've seen them talking to others around them, and when i approach them and ask them something or talk to them, they pretend like they're AFK and that extremely rude since you don't know that i know that you're not AFK either. Common curtousy is what im trying to get through here. I never said there's anything wrong with turning down someone and saying "NO" but saying it in a respectful way. I'm not asking you to waste your time or do nothing but help everyone who asks you; i've had friends ask me for help and i've turned them down because i was too busy doing something important or helping another friend.[/FONT]
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  [COLOR=black]I didn't know that playing Mabinogi meant we're not allowed to sit in town just to chat or have some of our own time.

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  [FONT=Arial]This surprises me since i dont remember mentioning anything like that (correct me if im wrong). I'm not saying we can't have a little alone time. I like solo'ing dungeons, and to tell you the truth i like doing things on my own rather than asking for help but sometimes you have to ask for help since you just can't physically do something alone (like G3 baol for example, which i still need to do) but im also saying at the same time that if we want to actually enjoy the game, rather than get frusterated at the lack of respect others show us when were trying to actually play the game properly, then we need to try and act a little more open-minded rather than close-minded. Yes its not like i haven't met loads of trolls and idiots who i despise in the game because of their utter and bland stupidity, but i'm not judgemental and i don't look at you and think you're a prick just because i think so without actually knowing you.[/FONT]
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  [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]...either rude, act like trolls, or just type so badly I can't understand what they're saying...so it's a big turn-off now to go with anyone I don't know to a random dungeon.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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  [/COLOR][FONT=Arial]That's true and i respect that as well as share the same opinion on that, but at the SAME time i've also gone to dungeons with people who are actually really nice, fun and respectful people regardless of whether they suck at playing and whether they die alot or not; because ive been in dungeons with people who i had to revive every couple or so of rooms since they're weak and i don't find that a problem. If you find it a pain in the ass, then thats your opinion and i'd say too bad since i personally dont hold people in contempt for wasting my feathers because theyre not as good or as strong as me and cant protect themselves which makes me have to put in the extra effort to protect them. if thats how you feel then dont do dungeons with others at all since you're still free to say "no" to others.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]One thing i dont understand is how lowly i think you feel about "random" people who ask you for help.

  [COLOR=black]SO WHAT? if someone you dont know in real life or in mabinogi comes to you and asks you to help them why does it matter whether you know them or not?

  [/COLOR]I'm going to say this agian too, So what? I dont find anything bad in helping a totally "random stranger" who i dont know who asks me for help. In the end i know that i did something good and that they'll like me for it and remember what i did, even if we never see each other agian in the game after i help them.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]This is what im trying to point out here and i hope im being clear enough in saying it so that you aren't presuming things about what im really saying.[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]Also >>>> to the people who think my long posts are an eyesore. DEAL WITH IT :mad:and shut up if you have nothing better to say than nit-pick and criticize me for pointless things that dont even matter, and if you dont want to read my posts feel free to do so since im not forcing you to listen to me in anyway.:pissedoff:[/FONT]
  
  [FONT=Arial]Anyhow..... that is all from me for now [COLOR=red](*phew* sorry i talk alot; i love a good argument) :lol:[/COLOR][/FONT]
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• Piko wrote on 2010-10-10 17:37
  tl;dr.
  
  Basically going to say everyone shut up and quit enforcing your opinion on somebody else. We don't need more drama over stupid reasons.
  
  Edit : Reading over small parts of what's been argued, you're basically ranting about what happens to every popular MMO that North American players play. It's not anything new, and if it is new to you, get used to it, since you will see a lot of it in other good MMOs.
  
  

  I mean, if you have so much damn free time and you're so godly and pro with your 1560 total, why dont you go and help out a new player?

  
  
  Not only that, but even though you didn't say people had to play the game your way, you stated that you EXPECTED people to do so. Ever thought that they were afk? Even if they weren't afk or doing something else, they were probably talking with friends or something. It's like becoming a Royal Alchemist. Once you become one, EVERYONE expects you to help them. I know I shouldn't be talking since I haven't even applied to be a RA to begin with, but it's fail logic to believe that people are supposed to help others, not entitled to.
  
  Moving on, you shouldn't be making fun of rich or "pro" people. Sure, some of them MAY have spent piles of cash on NX to reach that far, but all the same for most people it took weeks, or months, of dedication to reach where they are. For example, it's idiotic to think that they should be using their time to help you with something if you weren't as dedicated as they were. There are people who even play the game without help from anybody else (probably only for generation quests that require it) that pretty much deserve some time to relax.
• Arty wrote on 2010-10-10 17:43

  Quote from Kyouriharu;180490:

  HOLD UP
  
  MapleTip party? Are you Arty as in Artiste?

  
  
  No. I don't go on MapleTip.
  
  

  don't you hate it when you see idiots sitting around doing nothing but flashing off their cute or million gold clothes. Don't you hate it when you see girls running around making all these lol emotes for no reason even thought its not funny?(i want to punch them for that and tell them to shut up with those ":D" "XD" or "lol" comments....they spam them even when its not funny)
  
  Don't you REALLY hate IT when you see "MABI COUPLES" sitting and "hugging" or making kissing emotes and all that crap..... IT PISSES ME OFFFFFFF
  

  
  Your description of this game sounds very Maplestory-esque. OH MY GOD STOP THE CANCER BEFORE IT SPREADS.
  
  And as a summary to the huge drama-tldr debate up there:
  • Some guy takes his passionate nostalgia for the game too far and lashes out on "rich people"
  • Rich people disagree with the guy and rebutes him
  • Guy QQ's and makes a long post that I tldr'd.
  
  Basically, the people in the game community aren't as "together" as we were back then, but that's simply because the game has grown much larger. There's no point in blaming certain types of people for the way the community is at the present.