the GUILD of EVENTS - Ishiryoku

• Hanbaisha wrote on 2010-10-15 15:24
  You can see our video here -> YouTube - JOIN ISHIRYOKU - WARNING - contains terrible grammar & some mistakes concerning guild stone location..
  
  under revisement. this thread is a work in progress. :o to be blunt,
  
  

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  this guild is for making and hosting events.
  
  we like to keep the measurement of members as amounts of females in the guild higher than the amounts of males.
  
  

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  despite the measurement we treat and respect both genders the same way.
  
  we will not accept male members who cant respect the female gender.
  and we won't accept female members who cant respect the male gender.
  
  so if you're the kind of person to manipulate men / women
  or look down on women / men then you won't be accepted.
  
  in-guild marriage is currently not allowed. this is because it is more often seen that the marriages fail than succeed. and too many controversies and dramas envelope mabinogi / internet relationships. sometimes they work out. but in mabinogi it is not often seen that it "does" work out. and since a break up is never a fun thing, it can tear the friends of the boyfriend/girlfriend apart from each other and cause drama in the guild.
  we are mostly trying to prevent members from leaping into relationships without giving time to know the person.
  if you've known each other for a long period of time and things bloom then we'll support it.
  but if you've only known each other for a month (which isn't that long really since you meet only online in-game)
  we don't wanna take the chance on the relationship so we'll ask one of you to leave for a time before you start dating. and if things work out then we'll take you back. if things don't then you can still come back :/ or something. we;ll work on it.
  
  so far this in-guild marriage ban is working out nicely, but we'll remove/change it when needed. it's an experiment.
  
  also in previous threads you may have seen we have spoken a 5th requirement about male characters (not players) needing to be attractive/handsome/cute. it's not really a requirement. we would like to attract those characters . xD kind of a dream gained from Ouran High School Host Club.
  
  but no, we don't care about your pixels. we care about your personality and how you treat others.
  
  so really the requirement is null / void. it's more about "attracting" those players who focus a lot on their design and outfits & make girls squeak than really saying you "HAVE" to be that way. plus if your personality is rotten you'll be rejected no matter how you put together your oh so colorful pixels. :/
  
  so basically, don't worry about your looks. your character's appearance isnt everything in the world. and if you think so then.. "hmm..." :/
  
  to us your personality and how you treat your fellow players is much more important.
  
  

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  our guild stone can be found at west exit of dunbarton alongside the walls.
  
  and if you want to sign up through forums first so you can be properly validated then you could do so through our forums site: http://ishiryoku.omgforum.net/
  
  this isn't really much of a revision since everything said here has been said already in the previous version. but it may have been a bit hard for people to understand right away. thus i respecified everything in different / less words. and i'll revise more if needed if there's still misunderstanding about it.
  
  but if you have a question / statement then say so.
  
  do not threaten / insult me or the members.
  
  thanks and i hope you enjoy your time in the guild like others have already. :3
  
  final thing about requirement is that you must be active and willing to participate in guild activities. even in things like dungeon runs regardless of whether you like to fight or not. helping you lvl will benefit us both. especially you since you need the ap. so please take advantage of such situations.
  
  And last, you can often find me here: http://vig-infiniti.deviantart.com
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-15 16:54
  This again. I've stated on the Nexon forums before. Although some of the things have changed, they're not really much better.
  
  

  1. must treat people fairly. we don’t allow racist players, gender-discriminate players (meaning you look down on women / men), and so on. you get the idea. you can be laid back. you can have fun. but mabi was made to be an enjoyable game where people can spend time after going through madness for the day. so don’t ruin it.
  
  3. we will accept mostly females.
  the majority of the guild is already female. while we will accept male members, there will only be a few. why? because in mabi, even if you think it won’t happen to you, male players tend to be completely hooked on getting a virtual girlfriend and marrying them. actually, they decide they want to marry you within the first few minutes they’re talking with you. and relationships like that obviously never work. and we’re not interested in having any drama ruin the guild and cause people to quit because of a wreckless relationship. if you wanna be in-game bf/gf then fine. but marriage? no. please wait til at least a few months of spending quality time with each other before making such rash decisions. drama within the guild will make things fall apart.

  
  
  Issue One: You claim to be unbiased and yet you've
  1: Said you're mostly accepting females.
  2. Made an assumption about male players/characters.
  
  

  4. if you are a male member and you want to join you must be respectful towards women. now i know you have your pride. and to be honest, i think it’s 100% unfair to be tossed around and used by other girls. which is why female members are required to treat male members properly in return. so if you are the kind of person who looks down on women, don’t join.

  
  Again, if you're such an unbiased guild, there should be no gender requirement in the first place, and this shouldn't even be pointed out. If it IS pointed out, then the same should be said to and about the females in the guild as well.
  
  

  5. another requirement if you’re MALE is that your character must be good-looking/attractive if not funny/unique in some way.
  so work hard on your looks and if it’s too late already then don't worry, you’ll still get a chance to get in if you fulfill all the other requirements besides this one. THIS IS NOT A MUST-HAVE requirement. but by request, our female members want good-looking male characters. xD and i mean good-looking “character” not “outfit”. outfit costs money and honestly, no one cares what you’re wearing that much. even a n00b outfit can look good if it’s on a good-looking “character”, okay? i know looks aren't anything but since the majority of the guild is female, this is basically what they'd like to have. @_@ *coughtoomuchshoujomanga cough*

  
  Biased "request". If you weren't so female-oriented, this wouldn't even be a problem. If it isn't an actual requirement, it shouldn't be listed as one, and no more should be expected of the males than of the females. And again, people DO care what others wear. Otherwise, Fashionogi would not exist.
  
  
  

  * if you are male, as long as you fulfill EVERY OTHER requirement BESIDES THIS ONE you will still be eligible to get in.
  
  * this requirement is ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER's APPEARANCE. NOT YOU. we dun care how you look like in real life. it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There is no rule or law saying you have to make your character look exactly like you. If that was true then short people wouldn't play as giants. :/ And people with normal ears instead of elongated ones wouldn't play as elves. (blackpeoplewouldntplayaselveseither). So get a life. C'mon. You should know by now that just because you see a pretty girl it doesn't mean she's that thin with blue silver hair and drawings on her face. And just because a guy is the tallest person in the game with a weird face and never smiles unless he types in a emote doesn't mean he's the HULK in real life and smashes trees. How old are you that someone has to explain this to you? As a matter of fact, most female characters in mabi are male. :/ Did you know that? Well actually this is common in most mmo's. Probably EVEN MORE common in Vindictus. Probly made a female character so they can break her armor and watch her b00bs jiggle. :/ tsk tsk tsk..

  
  Again, requiring male characters to look good, again, stating your biased opinion about male players.
  
  
  

  * EXTRA: remember again that you can skip this requirement. we're just asking for the sake of it. :/ and cuz we like bishounen <3 can't help but ask.

  
  Yes you can. It's called "Backspace" or "Delete". You can just as easily acknowledge that your requirements are biased and then erase all the parts that are.
  
  

  but you won't really be judged on this.

  
  Then don't bother stating it so many times. If it wasn't that important, it shouldn't be given so much attention.
  
  

  11. must like anime, manga, or manhwa

  
  While Mabinogi is an anime-style game, not everyone that joins is into that stuff. Also a biased requirements. In other words, "you must like what I like".
  
  

  12. no in-guild marriages.
  i shouldn't even have to explain this. in-guild marriages in mabi at most last a month or two. but the most common varies from a week to a day. we're not interested in dealing with drama here. unless you can prove to us that you have a solid relationship, we will not accept couples into the guild. if you want to join, don't bring your boyfriend to join. if you have a girlfriend, don't bring your girlfriend to join with you. the break-up rate on mabi is so large and so fast-paced that it probly exceeds the damage relationships are known for in the real world.

  
  Been married to Since June 5th, 2009. Been in the same guild as my husband basically since I joined. Forcing a couple to not be in the same guild as each-other is off-putting and will probably result in NEITHER of them wanting to join. If drama starts, you kick them when the drama starts, and not make biased judgments beforehand.
  
  

  our requirement that asked for good looking male characters (not players cuz we dun care how u look like in real life) is something meant to decorate the guild rlly. :/

  
  I don't even...
  Male=decoration. Lovely.
  
  

  if you're a couple and you wanna join, we won't accept you unless you've been together for 6 months straight in a solid relationship. Now, I've never even heard of a mabi marriage lasting that long unless the other person skipped logging in for several months (thus avoiding causing any damage to the relationship).

  
  My husband and I log in almost every day.
  
  

  so unless you've been together. side by side. playing together often. talking to each other often. while in a marital relationship in mabi (or a date relationship if u have no money); you have been a solid couple for that time or more, we will not accept both sides of the couple into the guild. meaning only one of u can join. the other can't.

  
  What?
  
  

  if you decide to join the guild and u somehow fall in love with one of the members.
  first i have to look at you like this= :/
  And then ima have to ask one of you to leave. You can decide amongst yourselves who can stay and who can leave. Boo hoo. So sad. Done.

  
  Again, totally unfair. Especially considering that you're trying to drag in good-looking men. In addition, you're witnessing these two people interact within the guild. Breaking trust BEFORE something bad happens is a bad call, in my opinion. Don't judge someone on actions that may not even happen.
  
  
  
  Guild Requirements TL;DR
  1. If you're a guy, you must be good-looking.
  2. If you're a guy, we're going to assume you're after the lady pixels.
  3. Even though we want to attract the OMG attractive guys and we are so into shoujo manga, you're not allowed to like each-other because we're assuming you're incapable of maintaining a steady relationship.
  4. We're judging you without having done anything yet.
  
  I think there's going to be issues with this guild because of the requirements. It makes people NOT want to join. If you don't want to change anything, have fun in your little Shoujo Manga world.
• Hanbaisha wrote on 2010-10-18 14:25
  1. a guild can be made and dedicated to whatever it wants to be dedicated to. some guilds are dedicated to elves. some guilds are dedicated to giants. it isn't solid that we have to have more women than men, but we started off that way and we liked it so that's what we're aiming for. if this doesn't suit your tastes than the only thing you can do is not join. and yes i read the ridiculous flamed posts in nexon's forums. truth be told. all this that i've wrote here was actually there. it's just some people lack the common sense y'know. :/
  
  2. it's not an assumption. it's not like we're sexist or anything cuz if we were we wouldn't be accepting male players at all.
  girls being in the guild, of course they'd want a pretty male character. unless they hate men and / or lesbian then they wouldnt care less.
  but at the same time, even though they're asking for it cuz they luv ouran high school host club and other shoujo manga, it doesn't mean they don't care about what's on the inside. that's why repeatedly again and again i keep stating that requirement number 5 can be skipped. you say it shouldnt even be there in the first place, but why? give a good reason why it cant be there. you have guilds who are giant only. what about the elves who want to join it? you have guilds for girls in maids dresses only. well! what about the girls who don't own a maid's dress? don't leap and clutch onto every single requirement and point out the bad without seeing the overall picture. guilds, clans, clubs, fanclubs, they all generate from the same root. each guild is dedicated to some thing and the owner can do whatever the owner wants to do with it. if you don't like the guild's rules and you don't like what the guild is for then all you have to do is: not join it.
  
  someone makes a elf guild dedicated to pie. only people with elf characters who like pie can join. if you go and flame that topic with nonsense about giants who like pie and humans who like pie deserving to join then you honestly have no life. the owner wants elf only. the owner gets elf only. the owner wants pie only. the owner gets only pies.
  if you throw rocks at the owner for using his nx to open a guild and create it the way he wants to then... i don't even know what to describe you as. :/
  
  3. the gender requirement is there but it's sometimes hidden. if we like someone, regardless of whether they are male or female they'll be accepted and treated properly with respect the same way the women are treated. if you think i'm lieing just call out a random guy with our guild name and ask if we chain them up in a basement and torture them every day. again you can skip requirement number 5. do i have to bash it into people's heads or something or are you ignoring that sentence on purpose? :/
  
  4. nice to know you're one of the[B] few people in all of mabi existence to have a long marriage.[/B] very nice. great. peachy keen.
  we don't hate marriages. they're fun to go to. but we go by majority here not minority.
  the rate of people getting together and breaking up within hours is something all mabi players know about. and it's something that happens way more often than marriages that 1. actually happen and 2. don't fall apart.
  that's why for members to join along with their loved ones we ask that they have a proven track record first.
  if they have been together for a long time and things are working out then okay, we'll take our chances and accept them both.
  but if you get married and have only been together for like a week, that's a bit too much of a risk.
  i've seen the break ups happen. it doesn't happen in a kind and friendly way. it's usually one person still likes the other but it's one sided. or the person had "patience" to stay with the other person but that person is "ungrateful" and wants to break up.
  Think about it.
  You put that mess into a guild where everyone is already friends with both the husband and the wife. what's gonna happen when they break up like this? there's going to be drama. and dramas like these tear friends and guilds apart. it happens. even if you are one of the few people who have a long lasting relationship, it doesn't make up for the problems the majority causes.
  
  if in your opinion, you feel in-guild marriages shouldnt be banned, then you can make your own guild or join someone else's guild with marriages in them. but right now, sad to say, this guild is gonna keep away from the drama mess. and there are oh so many people who agree. :/ that's why we have members.
  
  5. and yes. :3 male decorations are lovely. though the leader is male so he thinks that's kinda "bleh". but it's only fair since he likes having tons of girls in his guild. female decorations are nice too :0 especially to a male guild leader. it's an in between discussion kinda thing. : o you want more females? well we're not gonna go lesbo on u. we want guys in the guild too. so wut did we ask for? someone who is nice to look at. BUT. looks aren't everything. even though we are fond of this guy here
  

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  we know that the inside counts more than the outside.
  thats why we said you can skip requirement number 5.
  wait i think you skipped that sentence.
  lemme repeat it again :o
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  the requirement about having to have a good looking character is requirement #5 bytheway.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  you can skip requirement number 5.
  
  okay hopefully you;ve read it. :o i can only speak english so i can't translate it for you. sorry.
  
  6. yeah, im sure if you read what i wrote above. :/ mmhm
  
  7. your requirements need some help :o here let me help you out
  
  Guild Requirements TL;DR
  1. If you're a guy, you must be good-looking. but it's not a "must". we asked this just for fun. we don't care that much about how you look like. as long as you have a good personality and fulfill all other requirements besides this one, you will be accepted into the guild. so don't care that much about your appearance. :/
  2. If you're a guy, we're going to assume you're after the lady pixels. and if you're a girl we're going to assume you're after guy pixels. it's really stupid to fall for someone just by their pixels. and we don't wanna have to deal with drama resulting from *pixel love at first sight* relationships. so before you jump the gun, please try to really know the person. and if you can make a solid relationship then we'll support you all the way.
  3. Even though we want to attract the OMG attractive guys and we are so into shoujo manga, you're not allowed to like each-other because we're assuming you're incapable of maintaining a steady relationship. yes. because as stated in number 2. falling in love with a pixel character is dumb. :/ we may like shoujo manga but we're not retarded. anyone can make a good looking character through a character customization menu. it doesn't really require genius abilities. so please get to know the person first as stated in #2.
  4. We're judging you without having done anything yet. because we go by the majority's actions. these rules were set in place to prevent needless drama from happening. if you're NOT the kind of person who falls in love with pixels every milli-second of your life, abuses men / women into making you think you like them and buying you NX items and stuff only to dump them the next hour after you got what you wanted; then we want you in our guild.
  
  see :3 and i haven't written anything here i haven't said already. much better now.
  
  If you don't like this then I'm srry, but this guild's not for you. :c
  Please move on with your life and stop flaming threads needlessly. Thank you. ^.^ )/
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-18 16:56
  For clarification: I am not flaming. I am stating that the founding principles on which this guild is placed is particularly bothersome to me, and strikes me as alienating towards male players.
  
  And yes, while you state repeatedly that requirement 5 can be skipped, you contradict this in other requirements.
  
  I never called you retarded. In fact, one of you called ME retarded (elsewhere). I personally don't like the use of the word in replacement of stupid because being mentally retarded means that someone was potentially mentally crippled from birth, and therefore, can't help themselves. Those poor people that didn't choose to be born that way should not be used as an analogy for something that could so easily be helped.
  
  If you don't mean to come across as sexist, it's not working very well. If you make requirements like the ones above, then it's going to sound that way. If you REALLY don't care about what they look like, why make it a requirement in the first place? Requirement 5 doesn't need to be there. This is true for 2 cases:
  1. If they fulfill every other requirement, then 5 wouldn't be needed anyway.
  2. If they only fulfill some requirements with requirement 5, then you wouldn't want them in the guild anyway, because they'd cause problems.
  I don't want to be insulting, I'm trying to get you to see why this bothers me as much as it does. Your whole guild is based around requirement five, and it is repeatedly mentioned. It's either something they must have, or something they MUST work around.
  
  The no-life card doesn't phase me. I'm an introvert. I like staying inside the house.
  
  I'm also not telling you what to do with your NX. Do what you want, just know that people might not like it.
  
  

  the gender requirement is there but it's sometimes hidden. if we like someone, regardless of whether they are male or female they'll be accepted and treated properly with respect the same way the women are treated

  
  This should be clear from the very beginning. Another reason why Requirement 5 bothers me. Just say this and be done with it. Everyone's for people that treat others nicely. I'm not saying you don't, but based on your requirements, and the fact that you say that this is "hidden", how am I to know that? The post certainly wasn't clear enough. For the record, I know that others have read this and have been bothered by it.
  
  As for the couples, if there's a sign of drama, then you kick them out. They were both accepted on what I would assume are equal terms, and therefore, should BOTH be held accountable for their actions. If they both cause trouble, they should both leave until one or the other PROVES themselves to be deserving of re-acceptance. Being a couple takes 2 people. Knowing what to do as a couple does too. If it's obvious that one of the two was already a troublemaker, I don't understand why they would have been allowed into the guild in the first place. This works for both people who are already couples, or people who start liking each-other after they join.
  If they were already going out together, and the drama starts after, then you kick them when it starts because one of them was probably already bad, and the other was too blind to see it until it was too late, and then they both learn a little lesson about life. Then there's also the fact that some people just get married for fun, and they're good about just being friends even if they're "married".
  In my opinion, judging others on things that happen to other people is unfair. It's not just about the marriage thing. It's about knowing to judge someone for what they do, rather than something that may not even happening.
  
  I never reply without reading.
  
  I agree on the pixel love part. That irks me.
  The part after, I disagree with, though. Again, judging people by their pixel looks is weird to me. :/ Their RL looks don't even need to be mentioned, and if what you say is true, their pixels shouldn't matter much either, so this part doesn't need to be there.
  
  AGAIN, not flaming. Sorry you see it that way. I can only go by what is written there. If you claim that some requirements are "hidden", then how am I supposed to know what those are? They are hidden after all. I only post when I enjoy something, or when something bothers me SO much, that I have to post. For example: You replied to me, why? Because it bothers you. Same for me. I do not troll. I am not fond of trolls. There are just certain things that, even if they don't affect me directly, push the buttons of my inner workings.
  
  Take it as you will.
• Ravendor wrote on 2010-10-18 20:27
  Dear lord I giggled while reading the entire thing... :evil:
  
  It's hard enough to get a guild off the ground even with open doors and accepting the majority of compentant applicants. I can only imagine how quickly this guild is going to die with so many restrictions.
• Scar wrote on 2010-10-19 00:11
  I almost literally died laughing. I got to crying. Btw *Score* I got the name Scar, wonder why nobody else took it.. I feel special <3 However somebody took Chris_Scar which was probably to impersonate, sadface.
• Finnea wrote on 2010-10-19 00:50
  Erm. Just after only skimming this I agree with Adelynn. You're contridicting yourself alot. This isn't a bad thing, however if you're going to be serious this is a problem. Also, if you wish to be a themed guild you should specify that first, this way you don't seem personally biased based on appearance. Game appearance no less. x-x
• Scar wrote on 2010-10-19 01:47

  Quote from Hanbaisha;185214:

  
  the majority of the guild is already female. while we will accept male members, there will only be a few. why? because in mabi, even if you think it won’t happen to you, male players tend to be completely hooked on getting a virtual girlfriend and marrying them. actually, they decide they want to marry you within the first few minutes they’re talking with you. and relationships like that obviously never work. and we’re not interested in having any drama ruin the guild and cause people to quit because of a wreckless relationship. if you wanna be in-game bf/gf then fine. but marriage? no. please wait til at least a few months of spending quality time with each other before making such rash decisions. drama within the guild will make things fall apart.

  
  ..What??
  That is so much more than just basicly Sexist.
  What a judgemental person.
  I agree with Adelynn, That's disturbing.
• Hanbaisha wrote on 2010-10-19 13:41
  As I posted in NEXON forums
  
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  You keep saying i create standards about men having to be up to my expectations?
  
  but i keep repeating myself over and over that requirement number 5 can be skipped. since it can be skipped and hardly even accounts for anything it doesn't even count as a requirement.
  
  the in-guild marriage thing and the thing about respect. that's all i really asked for. i asked for both male and female members who can treat each other with respect. there are way too many girls and boys in this game who ruin it for other people. and way too many who manipulate the hearts of others just so they can freeload items off of them. i've seen it happen to my friends who were boys. and my friends who were girls.
  
  so i asked that both of them have to be able to respect each other and treat each other properly. that has nothing to do with the measurement of amount of people in the guild who are either gender.
  
  
  
  and for the in guild marriage, how many times have you been invited to a marriage only to wait millions of hours for it to happen and it doesnt? how many times have you had a friend complain to you that he's been toyed around with by someone who pretended to date him, took all his money, and left? how many times has a girl complained to you after a week or maybe even hours of meeting someone and making them their boyfriend that they don't want to be in a relationship anymore and dont know what to do?
  
  we're trying to prevent that mess from happening in the guild. we want the members to get to know each other first. date. spend some time with each other. only then can they have a chance at maintaining a relationship. and if the relationship goes well then everything will be fine for both them and the guild.
  
  
  
  the rules set in place were made to prevent dramatic slip ups that can tear the guild apart. that's my reason. i know it's something new and no one has tried it before, but after having to deal with this so many times, i want to be able to at least try to prevent it and see how the rule goes. if it doesnt work then fine i'll replace it. but so far things are going well with it.
  
  
  
  again the biased part. you cant tell a sorority club in college that they're biased against the entire male gender. they didnt make the club to make a revolt against the male gender and put them on pitch forks. the measurement of guild members and the respect you give to someone as a person are different subjects.
  
  when i said biased, i mean that life in mabinogi is really hard for the male generation. women toy with them. and women treat them like it's ok to say bad things to them because "they're men" and they can handle that. well i don't think that's fair. whether they be male or female, everyone plays the game in order to enjoy themselves at the end of the day. and whether they be male or female they still have feelings that can be hurt just like you can be hurt.
  
  thats why we say, "ok forget about requirement number 5. we won't accept you unless you fulfill all the other requirements. and each requirement specifies that you must be active in the guild and that you must be able to respect other people. it doesn't matter if you're female or male. we're not gonna accept you if you're the kind of person who manipulates other people, treats other people's feelings like they're trash, and tries to ruin the game from them."
  
  that's the point we're getting at here. so can you please state to me what the problem is now in what i have said? or is there still something that you don't understand. again, i don't mind answering questions and hearing opinions. but don't get hyper. control yourselves in your comments and don't flame. critique and flaming are different. so please, it's not a problem if you ask questions and give opinions but please pay attention also, to the things that i have said. because all i keep doing here is repeating myself. but i'm trying to do it in different ways because maybe you didnt understand the first time and that's ok. that's fine. but please calm down and dont jump the gun.
  
  the majority being female is just some random thing. we're not saying we want to be all female. we just like the measurement of the guild right now and want to maintain it that way. it has nothing to do with being biased. in a sense u CAN say it's biased because we are indeed, in terms of getting members, we are favoring the acceptance of the female gender. but there are 2 different kinds of biased here. there's this biased which is the one i stated about the measurement, and there's another kind which all of you seemed to have clinged to which is: that we hate males? or we have something against the whole male gender? or that we're trying to change them?
  
  and that's completely wrong. you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions like that even though i said that you could skip number 5 dammit.
  
  1st of all: we don';t hate males. if we did we wouldnt have accepted any in the first place.
  
  2nd: we have a good handfull of male members. they don't take the majority but we tend to keep it at a little bit less than half the guild. so it ranges from 30 to 40% of the total members.
  
  3rd: the male members we have enjoy their time in the guild very much. each one we had were judged solely on their personality and how well they respect women. what i mean by respect is to treat women fairly. not to kiss up to them and buy them every single thing they ask for. there are plenty of guys in the game who, whenever they get upset, throw in some comment: this is why women are 2nd and men are 1st.
  even if they weren't directed at me, i've seen way too many egotistical male players throw comments like that and it pisses me off.
  and there are some girls i've seen who manipulate guys and date them for a while, letting the man spend his nx on dresses from gachapons to give to her. and then when she gets what she needs she just ups and leaves him. really, this comes back to the in-guild marriage rule. i feel bad about the person who was used in the relationship. but you have to wake up and smell the coffee. this is the result you will get when you confess within 30 seconds of seeing the person. i had guys confess to me but i just turn them down the second after they ask. :/ it may seem mean but giving them false hope and letting them buy you things while knowing full well they're doing it cuz they want you is just worse.
  my point being that this is the main ingredient for joining for both men and women. you can;t be biased: thinking that you're better/superior than the other gender and that their feelings are worth cr4p. it's just not right and we won't accept it no matter who you are. but if you let us know that you don't have a problem with the opposite gender, and that you agree with us that men and women are of equal standings then we accept you.
  if you ask any of our male members, they will tell you that it's mostly because of this requirement that they got accepted. we never asked them for their looks. he11, we don't even know what some of the members look like. :/
  
  4th: the requirement we asked about the looks was just something for tease. something for fun. if you have your character already we're not going to ask you to remake him because his hair looks wrong or his eyes or dotted or he has buck teeth. again, the requirement was just a tease. just for fun. it's like a non-existing requirement. which is why we keep repeating so many times THAT YOU CAN SKIP IT. -.- and don't you dare tell me that you never noticed it before that it says you can skip it. here lemme quote
  
  in the 1st post it says this: " don't worry, you’ll still get a chance to get in if you fulfill all the other requirements besides this one. THIS IS NOT A MUST-HAVE requirement. " it says it in bold letters. so i will not believe you if you say you didn't see that.
  
  5th and last: it's not about stereotyping. this is the way the majority of people act in the mabi world. the only thing we ask when we accept members is that they prove their relationship first. we didnt say that we will have them out of the guild forever. it's more like a "trial of love". complete the trial safely and you come back and we embrace you in our arms. w00t. fail the trial and everyone will be thanking us about having done this to keep the drama on a low level. again, no guild has done this and it's something new. some people agree with it. some people don't. your opinion kinda depends on what you've seen in the game already. if it doesn't work out we'll change it. if it does then fine.
  
  
  
  so in my statements here i've proven to you that we're not sexist. we accept both sexes and treat them the same way within the guild. the only time gender is brought up in this guild is when we're measuring the numbers of how many women there are to how many men there are. that's it.
  
  as well for me, we're not changing them or manipulating them or anything. the 5th requirement about looks was just a tease. for all our members we never asked them if we could see their character. we asked them "do you think women are inferior to men?" "do you think men are inferior to women?". and based on their answer we accepted them. i can't stress this enough that when i said "biased" and "sexist" this was what i was referring to. not to the number of women to men. but about how those women and men treat each other within the guild and how they treat other players in the game.
  
  the requirement for look was just a tease. we dont even ask you that when we accept you in-game. some of the male members, neither me nor the leader even knows what they look like. we only tend to meet up for scheduled events. before then, it's strictly a very highly populated, silly, and active guild chat.
  
  now that i;ve explained these things (and please read to understand) is there anything you don't understand or still have trouble with? are there any questions?
  
  and for those (not all cuz u obviously all didnt do this) but for those of you who feel you can bully the other members, please bully me instead. i'm the one writing these things. so don't involve them in it.
  
  Again, this is my IGN: Utan
  and this is the place i'm most active in so you can almost always catch me here if not in-game: ViG-infiniti on deviantART
  - this is for the people who feel like trolling / flaming the members. please target me instead. -
  
  Thanks. I can't say I will reply to your posts right away but please dont get hyperactive like you did on the first few pages and become impatient. ask your question and i'll answer you in the best way i can possible as soon as possible. thx.
  
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  I have no problem with hearing your opinions. I have no problem with you asking questions.
  But you people don't know how to critique, you just down right insult people and make fun of them.
  In college they make you get into discussions like these with other people. You try calling the person sexist and "assuming" things and see what happens to you.
  
  People complained about the way I reply. well, it's not like any of the people who commented were nice either.
  Instead of asking about what I meant, you immediately jumped off the ledge and aimed to harass the entire thread.
  wdf.
  
  if you didn't understand something then ask. but if you people ask in a rude way and treat me like i'm some kind of criminal for a virtual guild in a game, then I'm not gonna give you the red carpet either.
  
  Don't assume things. Ask.
  
  Everything I wrote here has been mentioned and said in the main post.
  and yet everyone calms down after reading this. do i have to go from being blunt to writing a full article multiples of times for you to stop flaming?
  There's a difference between flaming someone and critiquing. And Edelyn and many of the people at nexon forums obviously can't tell the difference.
  If you can't differenciate and you don't want to read the post in detail and at least "try" to understand it then don't post at all.
  Because everything I've said here. Every single thing. Has been said in the main post already.
  
  Really, it's not that I don't respect any of your opinions.
  But you didn't just give your opinion. You insulted and ridiculed the entire thread. And now it's even gone as far as people targeting the members we have in-game. Really, that's ridiculous.
  You can't expect me to be nice and formal in my replies when you screw up pages of an entire thread.
  NOT with critiques BUT insults. And you didn't even ask nor give the person who wrote the thread time to explain themselves. Do you think that's fair?
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-19 14:37
  The guild to a good first post is the key to writing a book:
  Don't leave unwanted "plot" holes. No one should have to ask. I haven't personally targeted anyone, but I HAVE been targeted by at least 2 people in your guild (yourself included).
  
  Furthermore, every time you tried to prove a point, you merely repeated what you said, in different words, as if that was going to change people's minds. It was those words they had issues with in the first place.
  
  

  it's not about stereotyping. this is the way the majority of people act in the mabi world.

  
  You just stereotyped a lot of the mabi world.
  
  You keep saying requirement 5 doesn't even need to be there, so why is it there? Your first post is either 1: totally biased, 2: not what you intended, so you should therefore change it.
  
  From my point of view, there were never any questions to ask. You made your intentions clear. To base a guild off a self-parody anime. While you repeatedly say that requirement 5 is not necessary, you have the need to point out multiple times that you do care about their appearance. If it doesn't matter, it shouldn't be there in the first place. If you thought it could be confusing, it shouldn't be there in the first place.
  
  The fact that you miss-word your intentions then blame others for interpreting them is your own fault. (and by the way, your guildmates are the only people who agree with you so far, meaning you DID word things in a way that definitely offended a lot of people, not just me, otherwise I'd think I was crazy). The fact that you called me a flaming, retard troll while I've yet to insult you is even more offputting, and the little sympathy and intentions I had to help are gone.
  
  A leader can make or break the reputation of the entire guild, and right now, by refusing to change the requirements, you are breaking it. You SAY requirement 5 is redundant, so remove anything that has to do with it, for starters. :/
• Hanbaisha wrote on 2010-10-19 14:50
  i dont wanna remove number 5. :/ this may be going overboard, and it is, but on youtube people make fun of everyone all the time.
  they don't care that you're uncomfortable with it. they make fun of you cuz you're black. they make fun of you cuz you're white. they make fun of you cuz you're asian. and what do people do?
  
  they laugh it off.
  
  and what happens if you don't find it funny and you show that you're upset about it?
  
  people tell you to deal with it.
  
  what's my point in mentioning this? my point is there is NO DAMAGE done to the male gender in the 5th requirement. if we just said "good-looking people only" and left it at that then you would have the right to complain. but the complaint is nullified when the post includes that * it's just a joke. not a real requirement. can be skipped. * instead of paying attention to that part you completely sticky glue your eyes elsewhere.
  
  also, as for the marriage, it happens ok. even if it worked out for you, it's time to get out of dream land and realize that things i have said happens just about every mabi day and it happens very very often. we don't want this kind of thing to screw up the guild and tear friends apart. my friends actually split up because we were friends with both the bride and the groom. they didn't get married yet but they planned to. however, the bride said she doesn't want to anymore because he keeps repeating "i love you" all the time and she finds it annoying. yet the groom is spending nx and gold on her in the mean time. guess what happens when she takes the stuff and then tells him it's not gonna work out? now the guy is calling her a bi+c4, a h0, and all kinds of names. the bride is crying asking why he has to act like this. and i'm stuck in like a tugger war in the middle.
  
  anyone who reads this and has experience in mabi can mostly relate to what i'm saying. we're trying to eliminate as many things that can tear the guild apart as possible.
  
  again, this rule is more like an experiment and it's working really well so far. and we're almost nearing (if not already reached) the limit of members for our guild right now.
  
  you're right people shouldn't have to ask. but the first post already states CLEARLY the following things:
  These are quotes from starting post:
  
  * don't worry, you’ll still get a chance to get in if you fulfill all the other requirements besides this one. THIS IS NOT A MUST-HAVE requirement.
  
  * EXTRA: remember again that you can skip this requirement. we're just asking for the sake of it. :/ and cuz we like bishounen <3 can't help but ask. but you won't really be judged on this. so throw it out of your mind if you can't fulfill it.
  
  this is not a mistake of just the post but people who run through to conclusions without really giving themselves time to read and understand.
  and again, it's the internet and it's a lot of reading. so these things are bound to happen.
  but also, because it DOES happen and there are misunderstandings, instead of just blaming the person who wrote it: you also have to take a step back and say that you shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like that. if you are the kind of person to do that then you're going to run into problems like these many times.
  
  i have no idea about the guild members targeting you? but if they are then i'll make sure they stop. but they may have done it in response to what happened at the nexon forums. :/ but still if it happened it was wrong and i apologize.
  
  but really, everything i said here has been said in the 1st post so this goes beyond the welfare of the writing and more to the fact that online, some people tend to stop reading the minute they see something they don't like instead of opening their eyes and trying to read it through first.
  
  also, if my intentions were so clear, then you're telling me that the group is sexist. when after reading what i said in detail, many people will tend to disagree with you. you may dislike the 5th joke requirement enough to feel you deserve the right to talk to people this way. but the same could be said towards the male players who want to run a maid guild or loli guild. these kinds of guilds exist.
  
  again, you jumped onto the 5th requirement even though it says repeatedly in bold that it members wont be judged on it.
  
  and again, you jumped onto the idea that we wanted majority women, when this is all about numbers and not how we actually treat and respect the male players.
  
  it's your fault as well for getting upset too easily and jumping to conclusions instead of reading the thread PROPERLY.
• Kuyukly wrote on 2010-10-19 18:14
  I was right. You're still only backpedaling.
  
  Let me tell you something. If I found a guild that accepted only elves because "giants only camp u and think there so pro", I'd get angry. If I found a guild that accepted only giants because "elves always run away cuz their cowards", I'd still get angry. Likewise, what we have here is a guild that mostly accepts women because "men always try to get married to them". We're taking issue with that.
  
  It's not the theme. It's the reason behind the theme. THAT is why we're upset with your guild.
  
  Stop refusing to look at your posts. Stop refusing to think. READ THEM AGAIN. Read them as if you were a guy who'd never heard of Ishiryoku before. I guarantee you will realize exactly how sexist and judgmental you're being. And don't reply with "I'm not being sexist", because you are, and it will only reinforce my conviction that you are simply refusing to take responsibility for how terrible you're making your entire guild look right now.
  
  Yes, you. When you are the spokesperson for a given entity, the image of all members of said entity will be bound by the things you say. When you say "we accept mostly women because men only want our pixels", you make us think that's exactly what all members of Ishiryoku believe. Then, naturally, we take issue with the falsehood of your claim.
  
  Please, just take my advice and read over your posts.
• Hanbaisha wrote on 2010-10-19 19:19
  My reason?
  
  My reason for this is because we like the way things currently are with our numbers and wannna keep it that way.
  i threw in the 5th invisible joke requirement because i like shoujo manga. :/
  
  so what's wrong with it? tell me so that every single other person who makes a loli guild cuz they love lolis and a maid guild cuz they love maids can understand that they're backpedaling.
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-19 19:29
  Really? No damage done to the male gender?
  
  Do you think men are not offended by your posts?
  You refuse to change your first post, therefore, by your logic, men would only know they're treated equally once they're IN the guild. But since the first post is so upsetting anyway, them actually getting there will probably be difficult in the first place.
  
  If you refuse to be clear, fine, but don't expect anyone to like it because you refuse to let your pride go and therefore refuse to make the appropriate changes.
  
  I'm not stuck in dreamland, I knew exactly what relationships can be. But I've deal with couples that even if they're not married for too long, they're still not OMGdrama.
  
  

  * don't worry, you’ll still get a chance to get in if you fulfill all the other requirements besides this one. THIS IS NOT A MUST-HAVE requirement.
  
  * EXTRA: remember again that you can skip this requirement. we're just asking for the sake of it. :/ and cuz we like bishounen <3 can't help but ask. but you won't really be judged on this. so throw it out of your mind if you can't fulfill it.

  
  
  AGAIN, DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU SAY THIS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SAY CONTRADICTS THIS/THESE STATEMENT/S
  
  AGAIN, I READ THE FIRST POST AT LEAST 2 TIMES, THEN AGAIN AS I WAS RESPONDING TO EACH PART. I do not appreciate being told that I'm not comprehending, when at the same time, you admit that you're writing it wrong and refuse to edit it.
  
  

  . when after reading what i said in detail, many people will tend to disagree with you.

  
  Actually, the only people that disagree with me so far are you and your guildmate.
  
  

  but really, everything i said here has been said in the 1st post so this goes beyond the welfare of the writing and more to the fact that online, some people tend to stop reading the minute they see something they don't like instead of opening their eyes and trying to read it through first.

  
  Read. it. twice.
  How many times do I need to say that? And not just this forum, I read the one on Nexon forums twice as well.
  
  

  it's your fault as well for getting upset too easily and jumping to conclusions instead of reading the thread PROPERLY.

  
  It's your fault for not admitting to yourself that I have, in fact, been reading your posts more than once in order to respond to them properly. That, or you refuse to believe that anyone that doesn't hold your opinion can actually do reading comprehension.
  If it were really my fault, then there wouldn't be so many people that agree with me. Point to ANYONE in this thread that does not agree with something I have said, and that still agrees with me, that isn't your guildmate.
• Kuyukly wrote on 2010-10-19 19:31
  Then why in the world did you even say ANYTHING about guys only wanting to marry you? Why did you even bring it up? That, alone, just "We like the guild to be mostly women" would have been JUST FINE. Maybe a little annoying, but FINE. None of this would be happening right now.
  
  But no. Instead, you made claims about the intentions of hundreds of males you haven't met. That's why people are not very fond of you or your guild.