Updating too soon? - Tibaroo Question!

• AnnabelleMarie wrote on 2010-10-19 19:06
  Mabinogians,
  
  Can you help me out with a sincere question? As a community representative, it's my responsibility to understand how players feels so that I can better represent you in meetings and generally to the rest of the company. While I can generally understand your opinions, there's one that I genuinely can't wrap my head around: Nexon's updating too quickly!
  
  I don't get this one. Why would it be a bad thing to constantly provide everyone with content? We aren't discarding old content or otherwise making it less valuable, so why is it a problem to provide you the next update sooner than the playerbase's general speculation and/or expectation?
  
  This isn't a sarcastic question. The exact opposite. I'd like some people who are concerned that we may be "updating too quickly" to explain why this is a bad thing. By providing this voice, you'll help me understand. In turn, I'll be able to better communicate your worries to others as well as talk to you about our decisions.
  
  
  This isn't an official thread, so I'm not stickying it. Thank you very much!
  
  Nexon Forums - Updating too soon?
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-19 19:17
  Ah, I was about to post this because I thought it was a good thread. Posted in the thread already. I personally wouldn't mind if I wasn't scared of problems that tend to arise after these updates happen.
• Sedia wrote on 2010-10-19 19:19
  Players finishing Mainstream to early?Then again,G12 as we know it,is at capital demand.We may be updating fast but it's probably to either catch up with Asia's versions,or because too many people are anxious to play another storyline and use new skills.Either that,or Nexon just has a release schedule.They probably even have G13's release already planned.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-19 19:22
  So it is either the community complaining about the lack of updates or the updates too soon? The community is sure picky.
  
  Some People will just finish G12 in like 1-2 days or something.
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-10-19 19:41
  I think the main issue is people who have been playing since the early days. We got used to a steady pace of generations and seasons that allowed us to steadily take in the content and develop our characters accordingly. Now if we want to be up to date before the next generation comes along we have to grind and rush in the month or so before the next one. So you can't be casual and up to date anymore, either you play hardcore or you play casual and lag behind. So it's more a personal preference than anything else in that aspect.
  
  The other thing is the game economy. With a steady pace of updates items take on certain values and gold generation + gold sinks introduced in those updates take their effects over a longer period of time before the next ones come along. Quick updates leads to a more fluctuating economy as opposed to a stable economy that's friendly to all players. The value of gold will increase or decrease rapidly after an update depending on what the update brings us, having updates within just a month or two of each other leads to these types of fluctuations being too close together for the economy to balance out and have its periods of proesperity before the next 'depression'.
  
  The only positive side is once we catch up to korea there's not much choice but to go back to the usual pace. So it's almost over.
• Richard wrote on 2010-10-19 19:43
  This is something that makes no sense? Why would people not want new content because they are "not ready"? If you're not ready, just don't start the mainstream until you are. No need to slow down other players. I think they just don't want other players to be ahead of them. I also think they want "instant gratification" like most of America. People always want the new content to be delayed so they will have enough saved AP to max new skills right when they are released. It makes no sense to me, because I'd rather get it sooner and gradually rank it than wait a long time to max it quickly.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-19 19:52

  Quote from Osayidan;187926:

  I think the main issue is people who have been playing since the early days. We got used to a steady pace of generations and seasons that allowed us to steadily take in the content and develop our characters accordingly. Now if we want to be up to date before the next generation comes along we have to grind and rush in the month or so before the next one. So you can't be casual and up to date anymore, either you play hardcore or you play casual and lag behind. So it's more a personal preference than anything else in that aspect.

  
  
  And what is the benefits of being up to date? Hardcore people are always grinding levels regardless of the updates, and they finish the mainstream in like less than one day anyways.
  
  If a person is casual, why would they want to compare themselves to more hardcore players?
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan;187926:

  
  The other thing is the game economy. With a steady pace of updates items take on certain values and gold generation + gold sinks introduced in those updates take their effects over a longer period of time before the next ones come along. Quick updates leads to a more fluctuating economy as opposed to a stable economy that's friendly to all players. The value of gold will increase or decrease rapidly after an update depending on what the update brings us, having updates within just a month or two of each other leads to these types of fluctuations being too close together for the economy to balance out and have its periods of proesperity before the next 'depression'.

  
  
  Rather than the content updates, I would think the random events they are putting out are constantly changing the prices of items. The value of gold stays the same all the time though since everyone needs it to do practically anything except afk.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-10-19 19:58
  Problem here is that if a game isn't efficiently updated (fast enough/ content quality) most gamers would be bored and therefore quit Mabinogi. Such is the fate American MMO's suffer :l
  
  I for one don't like how NA Mabinogi has grown so much too fast. Compare it to shoving too much food in your mouth and you can't swallow. It's kinda like that.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-19 20:13

  Quote from Bieber;187938:

  Problem here is that if a game isn't efficiently updated (fast enough/ content quality) most gamers would be bored and therefore quit Mabinogi. Such is the fate American MMO's suffer :l
  
  I for one don't like how NA Mabinogi has grown so much too fast. Compare it to shoving too much food in your mouth and you can't swallow. It's kinda like that.

  
  
  What about people who just joined the game? They are faced with so much content at once, but people don't compare them to those complainers usually yet they are in the same situation.
  
  Just because new content/quest/skills is released, you don't have to max/finish them all in like less than a day so you can brag about it on some forum, only to be flamed.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-10-19 20:15
  I've been playing since CB and still not past G3 so I understand that I don't need to rush through everything but it's still way too much way to fast. Updates cause problems, glitches, crashes, etc if those were fixed more then I wouldn't have such a problem but I think the game should have stayed with Generations instead of cramming random things into a single release and hoping it meshes well.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-19 20:24

  Quote from Bieber;187951:

  I've been playing since CB and still not past G3 so I understand that I don't need to rush through everything but it's still way too much way to fast. Updates cause problems, glitches, crashes, etc if those were fixed more then I wouldn't have such a problem but I think the game should have stayed with Generations instead of cramming random things into a single release and hoping it meshes well.

  
  
  Even without updates, there are always problems, glitches, and crashes, which are all part of computer programs. However, it takes updates to fix glitches and hacks, which so many people are complaining about. If you didn't know, the last update fixed a major glitch in Dorren, but of course, when glitches get fixed, people tend to forget about it, and focus only on new ones.
  
  Right now, it is going by Generations, and the next update is Generation 12. The last few major updates came out as G8, G9, G10, and G11...
  
  If you never even started G9, quests/mainstream at g9-12 shouldn't really matter much to you.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-10-19 20:26
  I've started em, I never finished which is why I say I've only done up to G3. Almost done G9 and G8 but I hardly play anymore so
• Beepuke wrote on 2010-10-19 20:33
  I don't like the supr fast updates because there really is just too much content for the new player. Think of how overwhelming it would be for a player confronted with all the skills we have now. There's basically no way for the new player to interact effectively with older established players because there is this difference of a few thousand AP in skills. Yeah, there always will be the player who grinds to 80/25 weekly (I think the weekly rebirths were also a bit of a mistake) but without reason to, most players aren't that motivated to level as much. The constant updates just underscores the difference between new players and older players and makes it less of a casual environment. Maybe players shouldn't be concerned about "getting ahead" but if slacking means fallig behind your friends and not being able to party with them, it becomes a serious concern.
  
  Lul, the economy actually gets a boost to the economy. With new skills introduced, new goods are put into demand, like cp gear or ores or even firewood. It's the constant events and jewsy gachapon that !@&$ up the economy. Synthesis? Tailoring? Blacksmith? Forget about it. What's the point of investing millions into skills that get outdated?
• Kenero wrote on 2010-10-19 20:39
  *whistles* The thread that Tibaroo posted on the Nexon forums shows that when it comes down to it, the Mabinogi Nexon Forum Community can post intelligently and with sense when put up to the task for it, which does support my idea that when it comes down to it, the Nexon Forum can be proper~
  
  I suppose there are some people who are only fools and idiots except for the time it calls for them to be mature~
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-10-19 20:44

  Quote from Kenero;187991:

  *whistles* The thread that Tibaroo posted on the Nexon forums shows that when it comes down to it, the Mabinogi Nexon Forum Community can post intelligently and with sense when put up to the task for it, which does support my idea that when it comes down to it, the Nexon Forum can be proper~
  
  I suppose there are some people who are only fools and idiots except for the time it calls for them to be mature~

  
  An island of intellect in a sea of retardation.