Updating too soon? - Tibaroo Question!

• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-10-19 23:03

  Quote from Beepuke;187983:

  I don't like the supr fast updates because there really is just too much content for the new player. Think of how overwhelming it would be for a player confronted with all the skills we have now. There's basically no way for the new player to interact effectively with older established players because there is this difference of a few thousand AP in skills. Yeah, there always will be the player who grinds to 80/25 weekly (I think the weekly rebirths were also a bit of a mistake) but without reason to, most players aren't that motivated to level as much. The constant updates just underscores the difference between new players and older players and makes it less of a casual environment. Maybe players shouldn't be concerned about "getting ahead" but if slacking means fallig behind your friends and not being able to party with them, it becomes a serious concern.
  
  Lul, the economy actually gets a boost to the economy. With new skills introduced, new goods are put into demand, like cp gear or ores or even firewood. It's the constant events and jewsy gachapon that !@&$ up the economy. Synthesis? Tailoring? Blacksmith? Forget about it. What's the point of investing millions into skills that get outdated?

  
  
  Read endless' prevous post. A newbie is a newbie~
  Updating speed has nothing to do with the amount of content being too overwhelming for them. Sooner or later we would have reached G12 and new players would join and would have to face the amount of content released so far. Newbies are not a valid excuse~
• Username wrote on 2010-10-19 23:08
  Its perfectly fine, its going to slow down anyways, due to G13 that wasnt too long ago. We probally wont get it for a good several months.
• Ailyene wrote on 2010-10-19 23:25
  I kind of wish they would update slower just so we can...anticipate more. Otherwise, there isn't really anything else about updating fast. It's just there's so little anticipation now compared to previous generations. At least, for my friends and I. Of course it doesn't apply to everyone.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2010-10-19 23:38
  Tell Nexon to stop sneaking around fan forums to read our complaints.
• Okami wrote on 2010-10-19 23:38
  I really don't mind it now, but I know I'm going to hate it when we're going to be waiting for G14 and stuff.
  
  I wish they would just scatter it out a little more.. but this is fine.
• Zid wrote on 2010-10-20 00:14
  Kind of against it because it means Nexon's more worried about releasing new content to keep its paying customers instead of actually doing work and fixing the bugs and glitches. I don't mind the new content; I however mind the mindset that Nexon is having when releasing these new content at this pace.
  
  Then again, I doubt that Nexon would actually start fixing once they run out of new content to update the player base on.
• Kenero wrote on 2010-10-20 00:24

  Quote from Mentosftw;188192:

  Tell Nexon to stop sneaking around fan forums to read our complaints.

  
  
  What are you talking about XD
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-10-20 00:36
  Update slower on new content and update faster for improvements on existing content.
  
  Automated production is an example of improvement to existing content. Life before that was painful. The same can be done to other old content with problems as well.
  
  One major thing that should be addressed is with the exploration and old dungeon systems. Shadow mission level-limits are a major obstacle for new and old players to party together. They need to do something about the old dungeon systems and improve on party quests (more of exp and less of gold - gold should be left to endchests only) because that is probably the only way new and old players are able to play together.
  
  My main criticism of the exploration system is that everything of great benefit is of solo nature - which is terribly boring. Make some party-based exploration. There are existing but those are dungeon (you need to fight?) and the rewards, general and exploration exp benefits are really not as good and efficient as things like rafting and relic exploration - which are best done alone.
  
  Also avoid introducing content that potentially upsets players by encouraging unpleasant player interactions - even if unintentional. A lot of things need to be more dummy-proof, bot-proof and glitcher-proof - just like how the whole randomised dungeon system is like.
  
  A lot of examples:
  
  1. Some things should be made optional content and not mandatory by giving permanent records/recognition for it. Especially these: Tara fashion contest - titles and journals, fashion contest botting problems, PVP journal, Royal Alchemist journal points, seal breaker journal points.
  
  2. Exclusive overpowered items out of gachapon. Ancient/darkness china dragon helmet/gauntlet/boots on TW/CN servers. Enough said.
  
  3. Book puzzle relics in Tara castle dungeons - it's fine to have them lying all over but it's quite annoying if this is the only method available because greedy people will be rushing for them and it upsets party play a lot - why not put them as possible secondary rewards off treasure chests as well so that people will need not worry about not being able to pick up book puzzles?
  
  4. Rafting glitch. Fixing the boat/housing coupon glitch is not enough - do something about the Rafting Hobgoblins monster exp and gold/item drops! Remove them and compensate the exp at the stations instead.
  
  This thread came timely as I was pondering about the direction of Mabinogi - with my thread over here.
  
  However, being not part of NA Mabi, I doubt this will get to them unless someone can be kind enough to get my concerns over there.
  
  New contents may make retired players excited and urge them back to explore, but it is often very short-lived. Many players leave again after the first week. Doing something to retain players through better game design will be more beneficial in the long run.
  
  
  One more thing I need to say is that Mabinogi probably needs a total level cap at some point of time to avoid exhausting the developers with demands for new updates from the over-powered players, so as to give them enough time to improve on existing contents, and also to allow new and lower-level players enough time to catch up to an even playing ground with the majority of other players. There are like 3 races for us to play so I don't see how over-powered players can't find something to do even with a level cap.
  
  If they are more concerned that the majority of profits are from the power-hunger that players have to face (which the answer for them is paid rebirths), then the price they have to pay is with the quality of the game.
• Zeo wrote on 2010-10-20 01:26

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  One more thing I need to say is that Mabinogi probably needs a total level cap at some point of time to avoid exhausting the developers with demands for new updates from the over-powered players, so as to give them enough time to improve on existing contents, and also to allow new and lower-level players enough time to catch up to an even playing ground with the majority of other players. There are like 3 races for us to play so I don't see how over-powered players can't find something to do even with a level cap.
  

  
  
  I would have to disagree with you on this total level cap. Nexon (maybe devCAT) would lose moneys this way if they do that..
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-20 02:11
  I feel like the speed we're getting these updates is fine.
  
  It's up to us to make this game fun. Sure, also depends on the developers, but we're the ones playing the game. It's up to us.
  
  There's a lot of stuff to do on MapleStory, for example. They've been updating rather quickly. If I were to start it all over again, I would probably get bored because there's too much to do. Sorta the opposite of your argument.
  
  There will always be those people who get bored, no matter what. You, as a player, just have to find the balance and make the game fun for yourself.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-20 15:52
  1. Faster updates draw more interest, more players and additional revenue.
  2. Who cares if you're not ready for it? Do you really need to max a skill the second it comes out?
  
  That's why DevCat added the new mastery skills and changes the intelligence formula. Instead of mages maxing Thunder and immediately moving on to the next skill, the mastery skills create a time buffer. This gives newer players the option of hybridization or specialization (ice mages, etc).
  
  These mastery skills slow character progression, which will become an important update tactic in the future because DevCat has stated that the Mabinogi player is becoming too versatile and overpowered. Thus the intention of the initial class system,
  3. Nexon NA doesn't actively monitor and patch glitches ('cept the one's that directly impact their profit). Faster patches speed up the rate in which we obtain bug fixes that were implemented overseas.
  4. Knowledge of future content hurts current content. (ie: Dragon/Gryphon)
• Iyasenu wrote on 2010-10-20 16:02
  I lub me some updates.
  
  New recipes to cook, uncapped spells.
  
  I can't wait for them masteries. :3
  
  
  So I like it when the updates come quickly.
• Okami wrote on 2010-10-20 16:31

  Quote from Iyasenu;188882:

  
  
  So I like it when the updates come quickly.

  
  
  Yes, but will you love it when we have to slow down? XD
• sakraycore wrote on 2010-10-20 16:33
  I don't mind new updates but I would much rather they improve on the old content. I feel like dungeons don't give as much gold/exp as they should judging by how noone does them anymore. I find this unacceptable.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-20 16:33

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  My main criticism of the exploration system is that everything of great benefit is of solo nature - which is terribly boring. Make some party-based exploration. There are existing but those are dungeon (you need to fight?) and the rewards, general and exploration exp benefits are really not as good and efficient as things like rafting and relic exploration - which are best done alone.

  
  
  Field Bosses are more of a party nature, and is probably the fastest/easiest way to get tons of exploration levels. However, the schedules for them are often kept to a limited number of people here, unlike some certain versions of Mabinogi like Japanese Mabi where they put the schedule out and detailed character ranking out for everyone to see. Then, there are other Mabinogi that has less updated Hackshield (or even no Hackshield) that allow for people to use their crazy mods better.
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  Also avoid introducing content that potentially upsets players by encouraging unpleasant player interactions - even if unintentional. A lot of things need to be more dummy-proof, bot-proof and glitcher-proof - just like how the whole randomised dungeon system is like.
  
  A lot of examples:
  
  1. Some things should be made optional content and not mandatory by giving permanent records/recognition for it. Especially these: Tara fashion contest - titles and journals, fashion contest botting problems, PVP journal, Royal Alchemist journal points, seal breaker journal points.

  
  
  I don't know how much of a fashion contest botting problem is going on around here. Maybe there is one, maybe there isn't. Either way, the scores of them seems pretty human around NA Mabi for now. While some of the stuff are pretty hard to get, giving journal points for achievements seems reasonable. There isn't much advantage in having a few extra achievement points.
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  2. Exclusive overpowered items out of gachapon. Ancient/darkness china dragon helmet/gauntlet/boots on TW/CN servers. Enough said.

  
  
  Well, that is quite a problem indeed. What about the other servers outside of TW/CN? Do they have this problem as well?
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  3. Book puzzle relics in Tara castle dungeons - it's fine to have them lying all over but it's quite annoying if this is the only method available because greedy people will be rushing for them and it upsets party play a lot - why not put them as possible secondary rewards off treasure chests as well so that people will need not worry about not being able to pick up book puzzles?

  
  
  We don't have this problem because... people don't run these dungeons often. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;188253:

  
  One more thing I need to say is that Mabinogi probably needs a total level cap at some point of time to avoid exhausting the developers with demands for new updates from the over-powered players, so as to give them enough time to improve on existing contents, and also to allow new and lower-level players enough time to catch up to an even playing ground with the majority of other players. There are like 3 races for us to play so I don't see how over-powered players can't find something to do even with a level cap.
  
  If they are more concerned that the majority of profits are from the power-hunger that players have to face (which the answer for them is paid rebirths), then the price they have to pay is with the quality of the game.

  
  
  I do not agree with the total level cap which many MMORPG seem to do, which means that if the total level cap is lower than the total number of all AP required for skills, that you will have to make hard choices on what not to get instead of getting everything. Forcing having to choose skills because you can't get more AP later kind of ruins the whole "free to do whatever" aspect of Mabinogi.
  
  Besides, when you reach the total level cap for many MMORPGs, there is really nothing to do. It then reduces to grinding for items, which will be outclassed by the next major update. As for Mabinogi, you can get more AP and stack it up so you can have the AP to get the vast skills in the next major update.