Token discussion

• eoneagle wrote on 2010-10-23 17:03
  When Evie comes out, theres gonna be noone to red tyrant with :T_T:
• Kueh wrote on 2010-10-23 18:39

  Quote from eoneagle;191891:

  When Evie comes out, theres gonna be noone to red tyrant with :T_T:

  
  
  Noone will always be there for you. Noone just doesn't like to play red tyrant with too many noobs so he's waiting till evie comes out.
  
  [Edit-What does that have to do with tokens anyway?]
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-10-23 19:15

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;191957:

  Noone will always be there for you. Noone just doesn't like to play red tyrant with too many noobs so he's waiting till evie comes out.
  
  [Edit-What does that have to do with tokens anyway?]

  
  
  Its super easy to beat red tyrant with evy if you're scythe.
  Blink is OP.
  
  It has a lot to do with tokens.
  There will no longer be frequent raids because its not worth wasting your tokens on it.
• Gotejjeken wrote on 2010-10-23 19:38
  It's the fact that people like to push too much for what is a casual game. Only the people who want to grind AP 24/7 for no reason or hit the cap in two days care about this token system. There isn't nearly enough content to warrant tokens resetting more often, maybe in the future if there are more boats and longer raids then a revision can be talked about.
  
  As it is now, you can easily solo for the XP, farm without spending any tokens, and do the Today quests for the AP. Seven trips a day are more than enough for all that, the only reason anyone would want to go above that is to grind to the cap or max out all their skills, both of which are entirely unnecessary. There are far more important issues not even being talked about, such as a proper storage or trading system.
• risend wrote on 2010-10-24 03:07

  Quote from zerojw;191879:

  Don't the plat tokens give like 50% exp bonus for the mission? O_O
  
  I too like the token system.. as I'm more of a casual player too..
  But I think they do need to reset them more often because there is now barely any people online.. so hard for me to find a boat I want on boat 2&3.. and my internet is not good for hosting my own room either..
  
  This game has much potential. But still a long way from meeting that potential..
  Hopefully next Wednesday when evie comes out it'll be more lively..

  
  
  It gives 50% more exp to combat exp, so pretty much barely anything.
• newpants wrote on 2010-10-24 10:12

  Quote from Gotejjeken;191998:

  It's the fact that people like to push too much for what is a casual game. Only the people who want to grind AP 24/7 for no reason or hit the cap in two days care about this token system.

  
  
  The point is there is absolutely nothing else to do once you do those few today's mission aside from either farming or fishing. So, once people finish those missions in 30 minutes they log right off, leading to a much fewer amount of people playing.
  
  Even just getting others to do today's missions with you can be a real bother. "Hey, want to do those today's missions?" ... "Nah, I'm about to log. I did them already."
  
  I still don't see why this is a good thing.
  
  As it is, there is far less amount of boats being made and much less people online in general. Yeah, this "casual" gaming sure is awesome. Good luck to those wanting to join raids during off peak hours.
  
  Anyways, proper storage? $10 for permanent storage (as I've been told) seems a reasonable price point for those unsatisfied with their current space. The $4 or however much for 30 days is also still a choice. You can easily just create a few mules as well.
  
  Also, marketplace does just fine in terms of trading, while discouraging merching (which imo is a very good thing).
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-10-24 17:39
  I have confirmed that you can trade in seals once a day, resetting at 6.
  
  About the same time the Dailies come up.
• Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-26 16:16

  Quote from OhSoNoob:

  I will apologize in advanced if the post comes up like a wall of text. Not sure how to format in such a simple forum without any formatting tools at my disposal.
  
  I was one of the 12 selected, and unlike Davy, I'll try and give a bit more information as to what happened during the meeting (hope I don't get in trouble for this). To many of the posters thinking that the meeting was unproductive and unconstructive, you are mistaken. Davy is right in saying we had about 3-4 poster boards filled with sticky notes containing ideas about how to remedy the situation.
  
  But before I start off with how the meeting went and what was discussed, Nexon is first and foremost a company and therefore they also have to pay the bills and pay their employees, so the topic of profit is always going to come up. To those who are saying that Nexon is only trying to make a buck, what you are saying holds some truth. Nexon does have to make some money, but it does not have to come solely from platinum tokens. It can come from other means.
  
  A few of the ideas to help remedy the token issue I can remember at 5:45 in the morning include, but not limited to the following:
  
  -Refresh once a day with roll overs and an increased pool of tokens for Friday - Sunday
  
  -Mon, Wed, Fri token refresh system
  
  -General roll over system
  
  -Ability to gain tokens while offline (similar to a rest system)
  
  -Unlimited tokens for a fee
  
  -A mentoring system in which tokens would be a reward for higher levels helping out lower level members
  
  -Tokens as a drop i.e. you pick up tokens like you do with leather and cloth
  
  -Reduced token costs for guild members running missions together i.e. having one guild member pay
  
  -Platinum tokens having increased bonuses to make them worthwhile i.e. give more AP, increased drop rate, increase exp rate, etc (Personally did not like this idea)
  
  -Reduce platinum costs
  
  -75 tokens a day
  
  -Experimentation with the token system over time i.e. Nexon will actively experiment with the token system before they find the right spot
  
  -Use of polls in order to find a general consensus of the community about the token system and how it should be handled (Yes I know the forum already has the majority of the ideas out there but the forum is plagued with few good ideas filled with more trash)
  
  -Nexon hopes to have more of these panel discussions in the future
  
  -NX for gold type system (Similar to the MTS system found in MapleStory)
  
  There were other issues talked about at the meeting including topics such as content, fixes, and player to publisher / developer transparency. There were criticisms from both sides of the fence for both for and against a token system.
  
  I know not everyone will be happy about I wrote here, and I know I will not nor can not please everyone here. What I will say is that they will try to implement whatever changes Nexon and devCats (the developers of the game to those that did not know) by Wednesday, but nothing is promised.
  
  On a side note: I was able to talk with one of the producers of Vindictus / Mabinogi Heroes (Don't even want to try and butcher his name). He came up to me and told me he liked a lot of my suggestions and he'll bring a bunch of those suggestions back to Korea. He also did say that it was painful to see his work criticized so heavily but that it was for the best and that it's a step forward to making the best game he wants.

  
  Discuss...? Some of these suggestions kinda defeat the purpose of the token system's existence though...
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-10-26 16:44
  Mon, Wed, Fri resets would probably work best. And I lol'd at

  He also did say that it was painful to see his work criticized so heavily but that it was for the best and that it's a step forward to making the best game he wants.

  its far from perfect
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-10-26 18:06
  I think I'll start climbing the corporate ladder so my criticisms have some weight on the developers for a change.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-10-26 18:15
  ^ I think this was inspired in no small part by you.
• Sora wrote on 2010-10-26 19:58

  Quote from Gotejjeken;191998:

  It's the fact that people like to push too much for what is a casual game. Only the people who want to grind AP 24/7 for no reason or hit the cap in two days care about this token system. There isn't nearly enough content to warrant tokens resetting more often, maybe in the future if there are more boats and longer raids then a revision can be talked about.
  
  As it is now, you can easily solo for the XP, farm without spending any tokens, and do the Today quests for the AP. Seven trips a day are more than enough for all that, the only reason anyone would want to go above that is to grind to the cap or max out all their skills, both of which are entirely unnecessary. There are far more important issues not even being talked about, such as a proper storage or trading system.

  
  
  I have to agree with this, most people tend to grind, and it's getting old. Heretic posted a perfect guide for more tokens, which gives you 10 runs a day with Seals of Dedication, so thats 90 tokens during the week, and 80 during the weekend. In addition, there is more unreleased content, like PvP and the beginning of an open world, crafting, which I am sure will expand to allow more things to do.
  
  The system is fine, and we can learn from Korea and not play all day, the token system in Korea is like that so your life style isn't destroyed playing a game, and if you can't live with it, go play a game after you're done your runs. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I don't think the Token System is THAT bad.
• spazzyorbit wrote on 2010-10-26 23:00
  My personal take on how to improve the existing system:
  
  Silver Tokens: Nexon has no point in changing these. Less money and people still whine no matter what they do. Only wish is no exp/gold/ores(which can hopefully be implemented properly as to not harm other players WITH tokens)/drops for ability to go on boats (basically kitae's idea). Hell, even a gold payment works for me.
  
  Platinum Tokens: Definitely need a price change. 100-200 nx each package would of course be ideal. More boosts would be nice.
  
  Vindictus Revenue Stream: The problem with Vindictus is that, unlike other very successful MMOs, Vindictus does not have a large nx shop to purchase avatar extras and etc. Attempting to siphon money by refusing the service of the only thing the game has to offer destroys player base and community.
• adjutant wrote on 2010-10-27 00:29
  I would like to see devCAT add new things to do to diversify the game. Right now there's only two things to do in the game, dungeon running and fishing. Nexon has made it clear that they don't want the players to run dungeons too much. This game can use some other Life skills from Mabinogi. So far they've started out with Fishing. Though, I personally don't like what they did with fishing. It's not so much fishing as it is shooting fish in the water.
• Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-27 02:08

  Quote from spazzyorbit;195619:

  Platinum Tokens: Definitely need a price change. 100-200 nx each package would of course be ideal. More boosts would be nice.

  
  THe main problem I see with that is rage from people who have already bought hundreds of Plats like idiots...