A cow is just as equal as a human, IMO. Especially at the early stages of life.
You're against killing baby humans, you should also be against killing baby cows.
Otherwise your argument doesn't make sense.
I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm just saying it could be the mentality. It's sort of like religious people claim to believe god is almighty and whatnot but also decide that they have the power to pick and choose what teachings to follow, and what not to follow. You're either obeying your god, or you're not. Acknowledge it.
For me, it's not that. I'm just stating the fact that those pro-life people in the video don't really know about this and similar situations. It's really a case of the wrong time, wrong/right place (however one sees it) situation. Which happens many times at these abortion clinic protests.
I've taken a neutral stance where I feel the whole issue is similar to watching two people argue if it's okay to euthanize a person who is in pain and will die painfully in a few days. I don't want to take a side in an intense issue about a matter that involves life (which I personally think is a principle that is not something for me to handle with) and where it's incredibly difficult for everybody to agree on where to draw the line of morality.
I can see where this article's couple is coming from. At the same time, when I think of what they had to resort to, I have that pity inside me for not just the couple, but for the baby. A feeling went off inside of me saying "If things can only be better"; that's really all I want to express.
Wait, I don't get it.
Why aren't all people who are against abortion not against killing animals and eating them?
If you're against abortion, you're against hurting innocent beings, like babies. Aren't animals innocent?
Hmm...
A cow is just as equal as a human, IMO. Especially at the early stages of life.
You're against killing baby humans, you should also be against killing baby cows.
Otherwise your argument doesn't make sense.
Classic.
Make various assumptions about the opposing argument, being sure to over-simplify and ignore anything that doesn't suit your goal. Next, don't consider any counter points. Finally, inject your own opinion into it in a manner that makes the whole process clear as day. In summary, think of something crazy and then act as if that's the only possible thing holding up the opposition; proceed to ridicule it.
Honestly, Phunkie, I think you're -far- too intelligent to be doing that. As I'm sure you already know you based those comments first on the presumption that people oppose abortion on the basis of killing 'innocent beings' of any kind. Then you went on to solidify your stance that this -had- to be their train of thought, or they didn't 'make sense.'
If this thread wanes into a debate, which it already is to an extent, then every participant best be careful to show an appropriate level of respect. That includes avoiding generalizing the opposing argument as if they were incapable of making a rational decision. Anyone who is confused as to why someone thinks as they do has only to ask.
Well fine. Why are Christians/Catholic/anybody else against abortion besides the fact that the bible says so?
Honestly, it really doesn't make sense to me.
Sure, we eat animals. But if I'm gonna defend a fetus' right to live, I should also defend an animal's right to live. Why does it matter that it's a different species? Isn't all life sacred? Why am I just defending a human fetus?
Also, if I'm also condemning the person committing the abortion, I should also condemn someone who kills another in self-defense, because it is obvious that rape is not a good enough reason to commit an abortion. So why is self-defense a good enough reason to kill another person?
I see both examples quite fitting, actually.
Combine both of them, for example.
What if giving birth to a baby threatens your life? You're a month in and you can definitely abort. You would be aborting the baby in self-defense. Why is that so wrong? It's your life you're trying to save.
I just honestly believe that fetuses (under... what is it? 2 months?) aren't special. If you absolutely must abort a baby, because of financial struggles or because of a rape or whatnot, do it.
Don't complicate your life.
Don't bring a baby to a world of struggle and misery.
Don't have it if you're just gonna toss it away.
Have a baby when you're ready. If you can abort, do it.
The bible doesn't mention abortion specifically, to my knowledge. For the most part, the religious basis is not actually all that religious. Speaking of the intelligent people, not the mindless drones we're all too familiar with, it has to do with life starting at conception. They oppose abortion because with that view of life it amounts to murder.
Of course, various parts of that can be bolstered from the bible, but in the end it boils down to a relatively religion neutral standing.
Concerning the bold, what's your basis for tying these two together? Simply asking 'why not' is not enough.
Concerning the italics, these two things are not related at all. You also bring in an edge case like rape as if any significant amount of abortions resulted from that (hint: it's in the ballpark of less than 1).
Concerning the abortion as self-defense example, sounds reasonable.
Concerning the underlined, that's nice. It's also the underlying motivation for your other arguments I suspect, correct me if I'm wrong. That's one of the reasons why this debate is so impossible to resolve. One side is convinced they're just taking out the trash while the other is sure that it's murder. Perhaps a more thorough understanding of that would help alleviate your confusion on the issue?
No, no, no!
I wasn't saying your argument.
I meant, in general. Sorry, I should've made it clearer. haha
I mean, anti-abortionists' arguments don't make sense when they protect human fetuses and not animal ones, or just animals in general.
Sorry!