Would you like to have G13 by the end of 2010?

• Meron wrote on 2010-11-02 20:43

  Quote from abc33kr;201527:

  g13 isn't all that hard owo.

  
  
  Really? I still don't like the idea of having to do it on hard with barely lvl 1k xD
• Zeo wrote on 2010-11-02 20:53
  Sooner G13 comes here, more better, because then we would be given even more times to gather the APs before each Generation release.
• Hatsunechan wrote on 2010-11-02 21:01
  Doesn't G13 give 5 AP per level? o_o I saw it in a video
• Gintouki wrote on 2010-11-02 21:06
  No... NexonNA rushes... but they shouldn't rush to extremes like EU..
  I haven't even started enjoying G12 and you want G13 to be thrown in?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-11-02 21:10
  I don't mind if they release G13 before or after 2010. I am not really forced to rush through the generations nor am I forced to have all r1 skills right away.
  
  G12 mainstream only last me around 2 days, lol.
• Zeo wrote on 2010-11-02 21:24

  Quote from Hatsunechan;201636:

  Doesn't G13 give 5 AP per level? o_o I saw it in a video

  
  
  That was only for test servers, I believed.
• Bankai231 wrote on 2010-11-02 21:38
  If they do, its probably a plot so people will feel more rushed so in turn they buy more rebirth cards so they can get skills easier. IMO
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-11-02 22:02
  Yes, sure, why not? I like doing generation quests the most in mabi.
  No, I'm on a schedule, but I already said that once G13 comes out Leap attack comes first.
  I don't care, because asides from the G Quests and Leap attack, I lost interest in G13 once they decided to "fix" the job system
• Xemnas wrote on 2010-11-02 22:30
  I don't care if it's released but I'd love to have the sword mastery anyway.
• Gintouki wrote on 2010-11-02 22:36

  Quote from Everwanderer;201791:

  they decided to "fix" the job system

  
  
  I know this is a bit off-topic... but could someone explain this part to me?
  I checked the Wiki, but found nothing saying it changed or anything, and the only part I've heard, was the increase in Skill Exp on certain skills.
• Xemnas wrote on 2010-11-02 22:39

  Quote from Gintouki;201836:

  I know this is a bit off-topic... but could someone explain this part to me?
  I checked the Wiki, but found nothing saying it changed or anything, and the only part I've heard, was the increase in Skill Exp on certain skills.

  
  
  Yeah if you choose a class(like wizard for example) the skills for that particular class will rank faster, and youll get more int/str/dex per level and age up. There are no exclusive skills, nor limitations on usable skills anymore.
  
  by str/int/dex I mean only for the selected class, knight gets more str, wizard gets int, and bard or whatever gets dex.
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-11-02 22:53

  Quote from Gintouki;201836:

  I know this is a bit off-topic... but could someone explain this part to me?
  I checked the Wiki, but found nothing saying it changed or anything, and the only part I've heard, was the increase in Skill Exp on certain skills.

  
  
  For more info you could check this: http://mabination.com/mabinogi/mabinogi-talk/6242-g13-grievances-addressed.html
  It's a bit long~
  
  For a shorter version, previous class system added specialization for your desired job wich some people didn't like, so after endless amounts of QQ and manifestations, Devcat decided to scrap that and turn it into a "press button, win game" system (or pick class, enjoy the ride).
  (that and some archers were bitter because there wasn't a proper "archer" class =P)
• woohoohelloppl wrote on 2010-11-02 22:57
  It would be nice to have G13 this year, but I don't really care.
• Shanghai wrote on 2010-11-03 01:55
  Don't really care. It's not like I'm forced to do the Generations, I can just do their quests whenever I want. Leap Attack would be nice though~
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-03 02:40

  Quote from Bankai231;201749:

  If they do, its probably a plot so people will feel more rushed so in turn they buy more rebirth cards so they can get skills easier. IMO

  
  Rebirth cards are not the answer to everything.
  They cannot really depend on them as the only money-making option.
  Even with more rebirth cards, if people do not have the time to play, the AP gain will still be slow. People will figure out.
  
  Yes there will be stupid people but they will always figure out eventually once their pockets start to get burnt and they don't get satisfaction from the game.
  
  It doesn't mean that you can PAY a lot and you get back expected or more returns in Mabinogi. Look at gachapon.
  
  Also, lets compare free RB with paid RB, two types here, three-weeks-twice and weekly.
  
  Free RB is once every 3 weeks.
  Three-weeks-twice RB is twice every two weeks.
  Weekly rebirth is once a week.
  
  Assuming that one can get to level 80 in one rebirth and explore 20, that's about 98 AP.
  Deviation of 2 AP per week if the character is age 10 and rebirths weekly.
  
  We assume the one month has 4 weeks. In three months...
  Free RB-er gets 392 + 8 (age up AP) = 400 AP
  Three-weeks-twice RB-er gets 784 + 16 (age up AP) = 800 AP
  Weekly-RB-er gets 1176 + 48 AP (age up AP if age 10) = 1224 AP
  
  However, when time is limited, it's most likely that within a period of one week, the weekly RB can't reach level 80 and 20 explore fast enough, unless he cheats the system through rafting glitch and dual exp potion use. Three-weeks-twice is stressful too but there is a "buffer week".
  
  On top of that the RB option is more economical in the long term. As you can see the ratio up there is 1:2:3. In three months, three-weeks-twice RB-er only pays for 4 cards. In contrast, weekly-RB-er pays for 12 cards. Seriously, why pay three times more for a miserable +0.5 of progress compared to three-weeks-twice system? You are over-paying for that little progress.
  
  It just makes it tougher for high-leveled players to get more exp just by PAYING and PAYING. It limits their growth in the game. Essentially it's comparable to a subscription system, which players will pay anyway even if there will be a new update or not. So delays don't really affect this very much.
  
  My point is that Mabinogi is by design not a game which you can rush through. It's philosophy has always been about balance. I just cannot see how they can rush G13 out by this year without suffering any major losses in the long-term.
  
  If they could give players more time to enjoy a generation or they speed up AP gain somehow, it might be a different story. But speeding up AP gain will meddle the system so I don't support it.