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Lolicon wrote on 2010-11-08 04:49
-looks around for hammer- YOU ASDFHAKSJFGKJASF-
Jk. As a Christian, I kinda know how you feel too. As Moppy said, its a master plan.
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Spartaaaaa wrote on 2010-11-08 11:27
Not that the atheist life a bed of roses LOL: Eat, sleep, do #1 and 2 every once in a while, pass on genes, die
Vanity of vanities indeed.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-08 15:40
Sometimes what God does might not be something that mortals like us might understand, so this is where faith counts.
What I believe is that God makes everything happen for a reason. Why is there suffering? My view is that there's always something to learn from it. It's a test of our faith and strength. Alternative view is that without suffering, how will we understand what is the value of well-being - although some may point out this viewpoint carry some hypocrisy with it which I don't choose to bother with since negativity doesn't help much.
And as to why we are not in a perfect world, mostly is due to the sin of man that dates back to the days of Adam and Eve. That's the price of knowledge. I don't think God should be blamed for it.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-08 19:33
Quote from Spartaaaaa;208508:
Not that the atheist life a bed of roses LOL: Eat, sleep, do #1 and 2 every once in a while, pass on genes, die
Vanity of vanities indeed.
We do more than that! All of us, just not atheists. :)
It's just silly to me when someone says to another person at a funeral, "This is what God wanted for her." Or, "It was her time to go."
No. She died of natural causes or she died from a heart attack. God doesn't want that for anyone. I don't believe in any such thing as a Master Plan, because such a plan is unfair to some people and that's not right.
And I find no justification whatsoever for that.
That's why I don't believe in God. And if I do, then he's an apathetic being, not one who cares about us. It's like giving birth to three children and spoiling 2 of them, yet leaving the other one to fend for himself. That's not a caring parent or guardian. Even if your intention is to have that third child grow up for himself and be able to live on his own, that's not fair or right.
My problem is with the people who say these things, not necessarily God since He has never come to me and told me these words (and never will).
God has no Master Plan for us. We fend for ourselves. He doesn't put us through hell to teach us a lesson, nor does he spoil us with riches and good things. Whether he's there or not there, God doesn't care about us. And if He does, he can't do anything about it. Because that would be unfair.
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pkMaster wrote on 2010-11-08 19:50
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It's just silly to me when someone says to another person at a funeral, "This is what God wanted for her." Or, "It was her time to go."
No. She died of natural causes or she died from a heart attack. God doesn't want that for anyone. I don't believe in any such thing as a Master Plan, because such a plan is unfair to some people and that's not right.
I'm pretty sure most people say that as a way to comfort someone else (or themselves) who's suffering from the loss. I mean, you wouldn't walk up to that person and say "Hey it was bound to happen one way or another, get over it." Though I do get what your trying to say. It's just the people need to pin some kind of reason to alleviate the pain.
My believe is that if god really does exist, then he wants us to fend for ourselves and lead our own lives the way we see fit. If he doesn't though, than it's our responsibility to the that anyways. So rather than focusing on whether god really does exist or not, we should instead focus on making the most of our lives without making others suffer for our riches. If you want to help out other people, then power to you bro, but if you can't, then you should first focus on helping yourself before you help other people. That's my believe.
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Time wrote on 2010-11-08 21:12
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My believe is that if god really does exist, then he wants us to fend for ourselves and lead our own lives the way we see fit. If he doesn't though, than it's our responsibility to the that anyways. So rather than focusing on whether god really does exist or not, we should instead focus on making the most of our lives without making others suffer for our riches. If you want to help out other people, then power to you bro, but if you can't, then you should first focus on helping yourself before you help other people. That's my believe.
If god does exist, and he just wants people to live their own lives, hes not going to do anything, whats the point of believing in him?
I just miss the entire point of god, like, yeah, I get it, we needed to know why it rained, rain god, but why now? I mean, why should I believe that everything that happens is being controlled, its not gonna make me feel better if something bad happens, cause it happened, I dont care why, or how, it did.....
Idk.....
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Adelynn wrote on 2010-11-08 21:50
"Hello, poor, suffering child in Africa. It's okay, don't feel bad about your situation. The supreme creator of the world wants you to feel this way."
Very uplifting.
Sarcasm aside. It's things like this that made me question and eventually leave my religion.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-08 22:23
Quote from Adelynn;208755:
"Hello, poor, suffering child in Africa. It's okay, don't feel bad about your situation. The supreme creator of the world wants you to feel this way."
Very uplifting.
Sarcasm aside. It's things like this that made me question and eventually leave my religion.
Yes!
And if God wants it to be, he will let it be.
But then people say that God doesn't do everything for you? So like Tim said, what's the point in believing in God?
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Juno wrote on 2010-11-09 00:23
Quote from Adelynn;208755:
"Hello, poor, suffering child in Africa. It's okay, don't feel bad about your situation. The supreme creator of the world wants you to feel this way."
Very uplifting.
Sarcasm aside. It's things like this that made me question and eventually leave my religion.
Sounds like a pretty terrible religion, though I'm not familiar with it...mind giving a name?
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Adelynn wrote on 2010-11-09 02:41
Catholicism.
What an amazing thing, to convince people that suffering and poverty is a good thing. People will even intentionally deny things that could make them happy for the sake of what God wants.
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Juno wrote on 2010-11-09 02:43
Oh, in retrospect I should have guessed that...
I'm no fan of catholicism either
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-11-09 03:43
I remember reading this.
(From Eragon, lol.)
If there's a god, and he wishes to help, but can't, is he truly a god?
If there's a god, and he has the ability to help, put doesn't, shouldn't we rebel against his authority?
If there is a god, and he has the will and ability to help, why don't we see it?
I guess people could go with the saying, "God works in mysterious ways," but that seems like a copout.
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Magenera wrote on 2010-11-09 04:06
That is why the old gods of religion was so much better at explaining god(s).
They where either dicks, selfness. or selfish pricks, couldn't go wrong with any of them, hell old testament/ torah god was hell of alot better than new testament IMO.
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-11-09 04:11
Silly humans and silly religion
Hopefully it goes away at some point.
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Magenera wrote on 2010-11-09 04:15
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Silly humans and silly religion
Hopefully it goes away at some point.
When all of humanity is wipe out is when. Until then religion will always exist, hell Mass Effect did a better job with the whole Aliens existing, humans just adopted the Asari religion. Humans need a reason to why they exist.