Most powerful skill in the game?

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Username wrote on 2010-11-23 01:30

I stand by Heat Buster, as at Rank 1, depending if your caluclating from a normal mob, i am hitting 4.2-4.3k max without Fire Cylinder or Title.(R2 AM)
Sure 2-3k hits on hard enemies might not mean its strong, but i find it has decent consistancy and in G13 is calculated right, possible damage looks around 5k-6.5k Damage on a crit on a Normal Enemy. (Title+Volcano Cylinder+AM R1+R1FireAlchemyMastery+Upgrades and Enchants) Though my rough estimations are off, i noticed its a formidable skill when made right.
gentrone wrote on 2010-11-23 01:47

Quote from Cide;225067:
you also need 7 grouped targets, weapon strength potion, someone playing damage mod music, and 500 max range damage. capped int is far easier than capped dex. on top of that, blaze was regularly hitting for almost 6k damage non crit. good luck seeing crash shot do that.

You also need a full charge which costs 60 MP, and a perfect timing for the knockdown bonus on ONE target. Others get regular damage unless stunned, good luck seeing that combo. Regular Blazers just n+ and deal about 1600-2000 on ONE target. Seeing that Support Shot example is very impractical and unlikely to happen in a heated dungeon fight.

Also, that 6k+ damage needs 600 Int. Marginally, Int is easy to get until you hit 400, and it requires over 2300 AP just to get a little over 540 base Int from magic skills alone. Not many people can fulfill that prerequisites which are just as hard as the ones you mention for Crash Shot to achieve 32k damage.

AND I just did some math and without the pot and magical music Crash Shot would still be hitting 18k crits, 7k non crit. OHHH wait that is TOO much we seriously need to nerf that thing.

x 10 (Crash Shot) x 2.5 (Critical) x 1.31 (Music) x 1.3 (Potion) x 1.5 (Campfire) = 32K damage

10*2.5*1.31*1.3*1.5=32
10*1.5=32/2.5/1.31/1.3=7.5

5k without camp fire support.

All I see is a lot of bias towards magic by other players when they speak about G13 magic nerf.
Fracture wrote on 2010-11-23 01:51

Quote from Slaco;224924:
Blaze in my opinion is the easiest way to get huge amount of damage. Support Shot does affect the explosion of Blaze, but must be used between the knockback of Blaze and the explosion. YouTube - ?? - ??x???x??? = ????? <- Blaze 43.2k hit

That doesn't make sense. Support Shot only affects melee damage. Blaze's explosion is magic. Magic =/= Melee.
Cide wrote on 2010-11-23 01:56

Quote from gentrone;225113:
You also need a full charge which costs 60 MP, and a perfect timing for the knockdown bonus on ONE target. Others get regular damage unless stunned, good luck seeing that combo. Regular Blazers just n+ and deal about 1600-2000 on ONE target. Seeing that Support Shot example is very impractical and unlikely to happen in a heated dungeon fight.

Also, that 6k+ damage needs 600 Int. Marginally, Int is easy to get until you hit 400, and it requires over 2300 AP just to get a little over 540 base Int from magic skills alone. Not many people can fulfill that prerequisites which are just as hard as the ones you mention for Crash Shot to achieve 32k damage.

AND I just did some math and without the pot and magical music Crash Shot would still be hitting 18k crits, 7k non crit. OHHH wait that is TOO much we seriously need to nerf that thing.

x 10 (Crash Shot) x 2.5 (Critical) x 1.31 (Music) x 1.3 (Potion) x 1.5 (Campfire) = 32K damage

10*2.5*1.31*1.3*1.5=32
10*1.5=32/2.5/1.31/1.3=7.5

5k without camp fire support.

All I see is a lot of bias towards magic by other players when they speak about G13 magic nerf.

did you even bother reading my other edit?
gentrone wrote on 2010-11-23 02:38

Did you even bother reading when I posted my repply? lol. Did it before your edits which coincidently argue the very points I was making. What a coincidence.

Either ways,

Quote from Cid:
the damage, nonelemented, hits about 19,159, less than half of that blaze damage.

What? 19,159 is more than Blaze can crit with a knockdown bonus. If you're comparing Crash Shot's damage with the one in the Blaze example (using Support Shop) you're doing it wrong. As shown in the video, Blaze hits 5xxx non crit which is similar to a maxed Crash Shot without any of the buffs in the previous equation. It should nerfed as well right? Too much damage... considering both can get the same damage bonus from Support Shot (equal %).
Dracius wrote on 2010-11-23 02:45

This is getting very technical.
Fracture wrote on 2010-11-23 02:53

Quote from gentrone;225207:
considering both can get the same damage bonus from Support Shot (equal %).

Support Shot effects melee. Does not increase Crash Shot damage. Crash Shot is not melee.
gentrone wrote on 2010-11-23 02:55

Quote from Fracture;225238:
Support Shot effects melee. Does not increase Crash Shot damage. Crash Shot is not melee.

Therefore it doesn't affect magic. Magic is not melee. Which is my point exactly, thank you.
Cide wrote on 2010-11-23 03:01

Quote from gentrone;225207:
Did you even bother reading when I posted my repply? lol. Did it before your edits which coincidently argue the very points I was making. What a coincidence.

Either ways,

What? 19,159 is more than Blaze can crit with a knockdown bonus. If you're comparing Crash Shot's damage with the one in the Blaze example (using Support Shop) you're doing it wrong. As shown in the video, Blaze hits 5xxx non crit which is similar to a maxed Crash Shot without any of the buffs in the previous equation. It should nerfed as well right? Too much damage... considering both can get the same damage bonus from Support Shot (equal %).

that 19k is taking into account music and power pot. take those away, and you have only critical left, and the 900% multiplier is ONLY if it splashes 6 targets, which doesn't happen very often. on top of that, if my calculations are right, you'd need over 700 dex (more int than for blaze to be effective, and dex is much more difficult to get than int) with a 100 damage ego and a good damage set to hit over 500 max with ranged. transed, i have 443 max with my entire damage set and my ego, with 634 dex.

you're not going to be regularly hitting 4.5k-5k noncrit in ideal conditions with crash shot untransed.
Zid wrote on 2010-11-23 03:05

But most mages wielding Intermediate Magic don't use Combat Wands. /pointless point

Also, Magnum Shot replaces Crash Shot in those smaller numbers (like 1-2). And we all know the potential DPS of Elven Magnum Shot is.

Plus... the cost of maintaining Blaze (MP potions, equipment) vs. Crash/Magnum Shot is another factor to take into account.
Kenero wrote on 2010-11-23 03:06

Now to think like an old person:

The best skill in the game isn't the one with the highest damage but rather the skills that help you function normally in battle without any clear effect to the eyes. You may dismiss it and take it for granted but it's always there and when you finally notice it, it helps you out in the heat of battle but only to be forgotten as fast as you notice its usefulness.

Forever unknown, the unknown skill, the unsung skill, may you continue to help players in Erinn Out.

(Kudos to anyone who can guess which skill I am talking about)

=)
gentrone wrote on 2010-11-23 03:14

Quote from Cid:
you're not going to be regularly hitting 4.5k-5k noncrit in ideal conditions with crash shot untransed.

Either with Blaze. 5k damage is rare considering the set up process, normally 2+Blaze would hit no more than 2k on Shadow monsters which is less than Crash Shot can normally hit (given best stat conditions). 1:59 here, she hits 19xx on the first target and the other monsters take 400-500... 4k crits on the main target.

So it's not like Blaze is like omgsoeffinop, it hits just as much as Crash Shot. Then I will have to agree that the skill needed a nerf ONLY on the knockdown bonus but not the skill altogether like they did. Now we get 1200-1600 damage with ideal stats, not fair.
Fracture wrote on 2010-11-23 03:23

Quote from gentrone;225244:
Therefore it doesn't affect magic. Magic is not melee. Which is my point exactly, thank you.

Ah, thought you were agreeing with the idiot who was going on about the explosion being affected.
NotAnElf wrote on 2010-11-23 03:39

Why do people keep giving crash shot campfire bonus?
radionoise wrote on 2010-11-23 03:40

Quote from Kenero;225257:
Now to think like an old person:

The best skill in the game isn't the one with the highest damage but rather the skills that help you function normally in battle without any clear effect to the eyes. You may dismiss it and take it for granted but it's always there and when you finally notice it, it helps you out in the heat of battle but only to be forgotten as fast as you notice its usefulness.

Forever unknown, the unknown skill, the unsung skill, may you continue to help players in Erinn Out.

(Kudos to anyone who can guess which skill I am talking about)

=)

You mean Sharp Mind? even at rank F, just seeing skill bubbles above enemies is a huge help during combat... I actually miss it whenever I'm using mounted archery, since skill bubbles won't show up at all and you have to pay that much more attention to your enemies and their aggro states.

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