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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-21 18:49
No longer updated.
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Chinaboy475 wrote on 2010-11-21 19:01
Not bad of a guide i'll use this guide when i'm done with range lols
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-11-21 19:07
You don't notice the difference in combat skills between human and elf? Are you sure you even played both? Humans are far better at melee than Elves while Elf range skills are better than human's range skills.
You should have recommend the guide to people who want range+alchemy, not just combat and alchemy. Combat is kind of including both range/melee. Humans are the best at being everything at once.
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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-21 19:14
Yes. I had a Human for 2 years, on and off. I mean in terms of general 'epicness', shall we say, if you raise your Elfchemist properly you will have an equal damage out-put for most things. In Combat alone, of course a Human would outrank an Elf. xP
But if you use Alchemy, you ought to be able to even it out pretty well. I only add the Combat aspect as it is easiest to go along with Alchemy, especially if you only use a Cylinder like myself.
There are tons of techniques one could use, be it Combat or not.
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Phanterz wrote on 2010-11-21 19:25
Note that Sand Burst is utterly ineffective against anything with >2400 CP, which is practically everything in hardmode missions and half of the things in advanced missions. Frozen Blast is definitely better than it by far. Flamer is also a very effective skill at rank 1, outdamaging water cannon except while spamming on a single target.
Also, you might want to note that Heat Buster greatly increases the dps of projectile-type alchemy.
Finally, Alchemy Mastery is not exactly easy to rank.
Other than that this seems pretty helpful.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-21 19:39
I like the guide!
Very informative and organized. Makes me wanna be an "Elfchemist" or just venture into Alchemy in general.
5 stars. (+rep)
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Username wrote on 2010-11-21 19:43
Meh, i'd rather leave the Alchemy to the Humans. Not bad but, you forgot Heat Buster.
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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-21 19:52
Thanks for the feedback. =P
I'll still be making improvements here and there as-well as edits, so this is still not 100% complete. It's mainly consisted of my own personal experiences, literal statistics and feedback from a friend + other players. So I need to add feedback from here as-well.
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abc33kr wrote on 2010-11-21 19:55
Just to point out, burgundy bear enchant is not so so to get, it should be more of hard to get.
Blessing enchant is one of the easiest enchant there is, not only does it come from ifrit, it also comes from fiodh normal.
Water Drop enchant is also easy to get. If an elf runs their method like you said, then they would get plenty from that. Also, people who run shadow cast city would sell water drop cylinders for 30k ish.
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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-21 19:59
Thank you~ I actually have only tested a handful of 'farming' for enchants, so most are estimates and guesses on level of difficulty.
Edit: Updated. Added more information and such.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-11-21 21:09
Quote from Cynic;223617:
Yes. I had a Human for 2 years, on and off. I mean in terms of general 'epicness', shall we say, if you raise your Elfchemist properly you will have an equal damage out-put for most things. In Combat alone, of course a Human would outrank an Elf. xP
But if you use Alchemy, you ought to be able to even it out pretty well. I only add the Combat aspect as it is easiest to go along with Alchemy, especially if you only use a Cylinder like myself.
There are tons of techniques one could use, be it Combat or not.
If you raise your Elf-Alchemy properly? Of course all the classes have equal Alchemy damage since alchemy relies only on enchants and skill ranks.
While more speed is something that can be clearly advantageous for the elf compared to others, your second reason doesn't really show why elf has more advantages over the other two races. You choose the less AP for combat as a reason, but it cost less AP for the those combat skills because the elf melee combat is pretty bad compared to the others.
Also, why would you just stop at r7 synthesis if you can already get there? Some of your min ranks/recommended ranks makes no sense at all when compared to each other.
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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-21 22:11
Quote from EndlessDreams;223721:
If you raise your Elf-Alchemy properly? Of course all the classes have equal Alchemy damage since alchemy relies only on enchants and skill ranks.
While more speed is something that can be clearly advantageous for the elf compared to others, your second reason doesn't really show why elf has more advantages over the other two races. You choose the less AP for combat as a reason, but it cost less AP for the those combat skills because the elf melee combat is pretty bad compared to the others.
Also, why would you just stop at r7 synthesis if you can already get there? Some of your min ranks/recommended ranks makes no sense at all when compared to each other.
Although the damage out-put of Combat Skills is less, you don't rely much on them. Hence why the lesser AP factor is nice; you're not paying more than what you're bargaining for.
Adding Combat skills in only helps improve your over-all combat abilities. For instance, taking a hit; Combat Mastery adds a hefty amount of HP.
Melee is also essential one way or another so having Melee skills handy and at a decent rank also helps. (WM is a prime example of offensive melee skills)
I never meant to state that Elves <-> Humans when it comes to Melee, that would be silly. However, the combination of Alchemy + Melee = not a very noticeable difference in power if you compare a Human and an Elf with 'equal' skills.
So, I correct myself. They have an advantage if
combined.
That's just what I recommend personally. The minimum ranks are what I think should be had in the least, but the overall recommended rank is what would be best overall. Kind of like saying "Well, you only have to have this.. but you should instead have that." it's entirely up to the person, but those ranks are just based on my experiences and calculations.
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Navy wrote on 2010-11-21 23:54
Very informative guide. I think I shall try this considering I'm done ranking crash shot (for now)
edit : you said that rain casting helps when making crystals would it be any helpful to learn it (from novice to rF) and not continue to rank it for a while or should I just wait until I plan on ranking it up?
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Cynic wrote on 2010-11-22 00:13
It's up to you, but the base success rate for rain-casting at rF is 50, which is pretty good as it's a 1/2 shot. The rank increments are only 2, sooo..
If you have the AP to spare, go for it. xP Though there are less AP costly skills that I find are more worth it if you're trying to save AP. Alchemy Mastery + Production Mastery work better and for less AP. Not to mention ranking the actual skill increases the crystal success rate, too.
Rain-casting isn't really needed unless you want a nearly perfect success rate later on, since even if it's useful in the beginning, you're usually busy ranking other st00f.
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Sinned wrote on 2010-11-22 01:01
It's a good guide but I was hoping for more info about how to deal AoE or quick DPS to run through HM dungeons or SCC quickly since I just changed my elf a week ago to an alchemist ._.