PALADIN KAROK

• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-12-14 01:20
  Cant insane reaper stack?
• Phoenix~Lament wrote on 2010-12-14 01:24
  Nope, it can't.
  
  See here: http://mabination.com/threads/14851-Question-about-overriding-party-skills
• Saintsy11 wrote on 2011-07-05 17:54
  I know I'm probably Necroing, but I had to put it out there. Too many people were complaining that Fiona wasn't, in the way that people wanted her, an ALL-ROUNDER Char Type. If you check the Vindictus DB. It Obviously States that she is the TANK, with mediocre Melee DPS. Her build is solely for regular shield Stunning/Guarding, and using Large Shield Heavy Stander to Shield Party dmg. She wasn't meant to walk up and kill it. If you wanted that, make a Lann or Karok, or even Evie for goodness sakes. I mean, to relate, I'll slip in a bit of Mabinogi correlation. If you wanted to do the most dmg, You wouldn't wear a Sword and Shield. You'd use Dual-Wield Swords or a 2Hander correct? Also, to relate in another way, Perhaps I'm old fashioned about the whole class system (Yes, I realize Mabi isn't one of them, but I glomped Vind when it came out) but I'd prefer a party with all 4 chars, in retrospect from a Group of 4 Karoks, 4 Evies, 4 Lanns, or 4 Fionas. Each person has a job they do: Karok(Bruiser) Evie(AoE Ranged DPS) Lann(Melee DPS) and Fiona(Tank). I can't stand how people complain when they can't solo. If a class style fighting game is established, its assumed each person is just as important. You assume the role you're given. Don't complain when an obviously Bruiser built char does more dmg or kills more than you. Its their JOB. Oh and btw. My main is a Fiona, and I love what I do.
• anokarlo wrote on 2011-07-06 16:49

  Quote from Osayidan;238816:

  His pillar thing looks like it came out of some science fiction thing 10000 years ahead of the vindictus era... do not like.

  
  
  It's the ships they would ride on that movie Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Arendel wrote on 2011-07-08 07:58

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  I know I'm probably Necroing, but I had to put it out there. Too many people were complaining that Fiona wasn't, in the way that people wanted her, an ALL-ROUNDER Char Type. If you check the Vindictus DB. It Obviously States that she is the TANK, with mediocre Melee DPS. Her build is solely for regular shield Stunning/Guarding, and using Large Shield Heavy Stander to Shield Party dmg. She wasn't meant to walk up and kill it. If you wanted that, make a Lann or Karok, or even Evie for goodness sakes.

  
  "Fiona is a balanced warrior who wields a sword and a shield. She values defense, so she uses her shield to protect herself during combat and then strikes strategically when enemies aren't expecting it."
  
  I don't see where it says her job is to take hits for the party. If you're looking at the "role" section in the info box to the right of each character page in the DB, that is based on user--not developer--interpretation and, for the most part, is actually unnecessary, for reasons I hope should become apparent in my explanation.
  
  Nexon's official description (quoted above) implies that Fiona is designed to be an opportunistic character who uses her shield as a means of getting her attacks in. I will concede that her small shield makes her heavily stun-based, but except in the case of Irukul (and even then, only during the chase sequence), her large shield is not meant to make her a traditional "tank." She was given two different kinds of shields as ways of dealing with different situations: small shield for stunning bosses that could be guarded normally, and large shield for maintaining her position in the face of smash spam. She can take hits for her party, but this does not make her any more of a tank than the other characters. Evie can use Amber, Blink, or Sparrow, and has Mana Shields to sustain fatal blows. Lann can dodge. Karok can Absorb Shock. Everyone else can take hits for the party, too. They just have different ways of going about it.
  
  Knowing that, it's unreasonable to assume that just because Fiona has a shield and can confront attacks head-on, her primary role is to shield damage from everyone else. If that is all you're doing as a Fiona, and you are not focusing on doing damage, using your shield to give you the proper advantage to do so, you are doing what's called "turtling," and it's not helping anyone. Every character's role is to deal damage. Every character's role is also to defend against or evade attacks. Fiona's methods of fulfilling her roles are simply different.
  
  Also, if she "wasn't meant to walk up and kill [things]," they wouldn't have given her hammers as an option to begin with.
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  Evie(AoE Ranged DPS)

  
  Scythe deals melee DPS. As stated before, Evie with either weapon could be a tank simply because she can take hits in some way. Also, everyone technically has AoE.
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  Lann(Melee DPS)

  
  Technically also a tank because he has a way of taking hits, even if it's evasive.
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  Fiona(Tank)

  
  Again, for reasons already mentioned, she's also melee DPS. Doesn't the DB even list this as one of her roles?
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  I can't stand how people complain when they can't solo. If a class style fighting game is established, its assumed each person is just as important. You assume the role you're given. Don't complain when an obviously Bruiser built char does more dmg or kills more than you. Its their JOB.

  
  Except it's not a traditional class-style game with set "jobs." Character designs emphasize unique play styles--not roles. In general, there is too much overlap between what the characters do to simply label them as "tank" or "DPS."
  
  So no, Fiona's not THE tank, and it's not unreasonable to expect her to be able to do damage AND protect herself.
• Arendel wrote on 2011-07-13 20:48

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  I know I'm probably Necroing, but I had to put it out there. Too many people were complaining that Fiona wasn't, in the way that people wanted her, an ALL-ROUNDER Char Type. If you check the Vindictus DB. It Obviously States that she is the TANK, with mediocre Melee DPS.

  
  That specific part of the DB you're referencing isn't even official. It is based on user input and technically is incorrect. She is not a tank in the traditional sense. Sure, she can take hits, but guess what? So can everyone else. There's also the fact that there is no skill unique to her for the purpose of drawing aggro.
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  Her build is solely for regular shield Stunning/Guarding, and using Large Shield Heavy Stander to Shield Party dmg.

  
  Stunning with small shield, yes. Shielding party damage with large, no. The large shield was designed to allow Fiona, in the face of smash spam, to maintain her position with the intent of dealing damage. Being able to sit there and turtle is just a side effect of the abilities that the developers granted to large shield users. Except for the chase sequence in Irukul, it is not her job. All of the other characters could do the same thing because they have survival mechanisms that allow them to avoid taking damage. Should they not also be considered tanks?
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  She wasn't meant to walk up and kill it. If you wanted that, make a Lann or Karok, or even Evie for goodness sakes.

  
  And yet, for all the damage they do, they sure have great survivability on their own. If they can have both, why can't Fiona?
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  Each person has a job they do: Karok(Bruiser) Evie(AoE Ranged DPS) Lann(Melee DPS) and Fiona(Tank).

  
  Again, Fiona is no more a tank than anyone else. Everyone's "job" is to deal damage and avoid taking it. Also, Evie can do melee DPS with a scythe, and AoE is not exclusive to her.
  
  

  Quote from Saintsy11;501076:

  I can't stand how people complain when they can't solo. If a class style fighting game is established, its assumed each person is just as important.

  
  Except that is nowhere near the case in this game.