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Virtue wrote on 2010-05-01 09:04
The guy should get his balls cut off and the granny is ready for a mental home if they think this is a good decision. Ugh, retards. I'm sorry that the kid will be the kid with the "granny mom who is in a relationship with her grandson".
Anyway, I'll explain to Syrphid what's bad about it.
Quote from Syrphid;24330:
So? We're all related by blood. I'm probably your great-grandmother's 5th cousin 4 times removed or something.
Lol. You don't know much about genetics if you think like that. There's a HUGE difference between having children with your grandmother than with a girl next door who's from a different family.
Quote from Syrphid;24330:
You could die tomorrow, does that mean you can't start a relationship? Do you have a problem with 2 old people marrying?
You don't think I practice what I preach? I don't see anything inherently wrong with incest. I would if I felt it was the right thing to do.
It seems to me that you are just saying what you hear others say. I don't see any legit reason to reject incest, and apparently neither do you. Gut reaction is never a legitimate reason.
If people want an incestuous relationship with consent, that's okay. I don't give a damn. EXCEPT they should never be allowed to have children. It increases the chance of their children being affected by recessive or deleterious traits. Please look up inbreeding.
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-01 09:10
Quote from Sin;24374:
The guy should get his balls cut off and the granny is ready for a mental home if they think this is a good decision. Ugh, retards. It's a shame their genes are passed on in this kid.
Anyway, I'll explain to Syrphid what's bad about it.
Lol. You don't know much about genetics if you think like that. There's a HUGE difference between having children with your grandmother than with a girl next door who's from a different family.
If people want an incestuous relationship with consent, that's okay. I don't give a damn. EXCEPT they should never be allowed to have children. It increases the chance of their children being affected by recessive or deleterious traits. Please look up inbreeding.
If you reread the article, it states that they're having a surrogate mother, ie they're adopting.
Quote from bradstrt;24371:
I'm not lashing out, you just keep bringing back an argument cause you don't like my point of view. And my reasons are perfectly legit. You can't tell me otherwise. If I feel a certain way that's different from yours doesn't mean my opinion is not legit. Also since its a majority opinion doesn't mean I think that way CAUSE it's a majority and I'm trying to fit in. Don't get me confused and judge me off such a small amount of words. Incest is different then other forms of love in only one fact you are immediately related to them through blood. Yes we are all technically related through a huge "family tree" consisting of trillions of people connected over millions hell... billions of years (weren't we just a lil worm first? obviously not religious :I), but were so diversified and separate from one another which makes us not family or related (outside of us being humans).
Incest is "the crime of sexual intercourse, cohabitation, or marriage between persons within the degrees of consanguinity or affinity wherein marriage is legally forbidden. " -dictionary.com
A crime.... its a crime for a reason ya know? Although it might just be a crime cause its not majorly approved of, still a crime but this is besides the point.
Family is "any group of persons closely related by blood, all those persons considered as descendants of a common progenitor. "-dictionary.com
Progenitor (if you don't know) is "a biologically related ancestor"-dictionary.com
Just because a dictionary says it's a crime doesn't make it one.
If we both state an opinion, I have no right to tell you that yours is bad.
If you state an opinion without ANY backing, and I support my opposing opinion with reasons, then I should be able to call your opinion non-legit.
You still fail to show the connection between blood relation and morality of marriage.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-01 09:13
>_>;; again my opinion you just cant get over the fact that I don't like incest. I backed it several times and I'm not gonna sit here and argue over this at 5 am. And a dictionary isn't the only one calling it a crime so.... I gave you plenty of reasons, none you can accept cause again YOU DON'T LIKE MY OPINION. Anyone that's wrote logic against incest you immediately shutdown, proves you wont accept any of our reasons.
Done with this. bed time
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-01 09:18
Quote from bradstrt;24385:
>_>;; again my opinion you just cant get over the fact that I don't like incest. I backed it several times and I'm not gonna sit here and argue over this at 5 am. And a dictionary isn't the only one calling it a crime so.... I gave you plenty of reasons, none you can accept cause again YOU DON'T LIKE MY OPINION. Anyone that's wrote logic against incest you immediately shutdown, proves you wont accept any of our reasons.
Done with this. bed time
Please restate all of your reasons. My ctrl + F finds only "disgusting" and "gross".
The bold is highly indicative that I am right and everyone I shot down is wrong. How can I shoot down someone's logic if their logic is impervious?
Sleep well dude, tty tomorrow.
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Magenera wrote on 2010-05-01 09:20
On the subject, I found it funny, for the fact that, outside of our society this would be consider a norm. Two, incest been around for some time, and at some point somebody here had to be conceived because someone in your family tree decided the family,or the family rules said that was to be your mating partner/ love interest. Three, the world and for that matter is fking crazy, and this is by no such surprising or is crazy, hell of a lot of things that happen that would make this look tame.
And the response of the forum, incest been around for a long time, will continue to exist, and there is not a thing one can do about it. But whether one thinks incest is right or wrong, it will continue to exist somewhere else, and it will be a taboo here after all, just about everything that is born out of human hands is mostly bias, and applied only in one society.
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Virtue wrote on 2010-05-01 09:28
Quote from Syrphid;24392:
Please restate all of your reasons. My ctrl + F finds only "disgusting" and "gross".
The bold is highly indicative that I am right and everyone I shot down is wrong. How can I shoot down someone's logic if their logic is impervious?
Sleep well dude, tty tomorrow.
I explained to you why incest should be banned. You didn't shoot it down nor reply to it. Mainly the children part, and that's hard to regulate.
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Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-01 09:45
Quote from Sin;24404:
I explained to you why incest should be banned. You didn't shoot it down nor reply to it. Mainly the children part, and that's hard to regulate.
I was talking to brad. Your post is irrelevant to this thread because they aren't making babies together, and responding to it would be a huge derail.
It does not immediately follow that because incestuous couples are more likely to have bad babies, all incestuous relations should be illegal. Feel free to start another thread demonstrating why this is the case.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-01 13:44
It seems wrong...
Firstly, the woman is 72 and who knows how much longer she will live on. Secondly, this is paid for by her pension and so how is this grandson of hers going to support the family after everything proceeds? I hope they know what they are jumping into. Love can be the excuse for them to have the will to carry on but it will not solve these problems.
I will not say anything much more than that.
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Raj wrote on 2010-05-01 13:50
Quote from Saani;24282:
Just think about the kid...
My mom always says that the same blood is screwed up.
-Sees scrwed up child-
That's theirs!
I think they're just pervs, truthfully. Just pervs and pedos.
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Osayidan wrote on 2010-05-01 13:56
Their kid: "do i call you mommy or great granny?"
That's the only issue I got with this. I don't care who people are doin' it with, I do wish they wouldn't plaster it all over the news though.
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Criticalxhit wrote on 2010-05-01 13:58
Quote from Juno;24302:
This is why love should be returned to it's previous form of 4 or 5 different words rather than this all encompassing thing. It won't do much good to launch into a deep moral debate over incest and all that jazz though, so I should probably just shut up .-.
Family is generally considered off limits because of the authority structure and the massive influence parents have over their kids. One has only to cite the cases of father's turning their homes into their own personal brothel to see the inherent problem. In this particular case that line of logic falls through. They never knew each other and thus no such structure was in place. Because of that I have no logical ground to oppose it...but the reflex is still a funny feeling in the stomach. I wouldn't call them out on it but it'd be dishonest to say it didn't bother me a little.
^Exactly that
However, they must really... like each other to go out in public o.O
Obviously, it was the cat posted this -.-
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Skye wrote on 2010-05-01 14:19
Quote from Osayidan;24465:
Their kid: "do i call you mommy or great granny?"
That's the only issue I got with this. I don't care who people are doin' it with, I do wish they wouldn't plaster it all over the news though.
Same here, though it's still a little...odd for me. Plus the fact that if any of the child's peers find out, the child will probably have to go through a whole heck of a lot.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-01 19:58
Go facepalm!
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-05-01 21:11
it's not even a palm
and wow,
Syrphid, you love to argue against the cat owo
can the cat say your right just to get pettings?
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Lan wrote on 2010-05-01 22:38
Second cousins marrying I have no problem with. Cousins...debatable. Siblings...wrong but this >_<