Elf vs Human in Range Playability?

• Raj wrote on 2010-05-01 12:13
  The Role-Playing is what's really throwing me off.
  I really want to do G1,2,3-9.
  Not 5-9..
  So, I could have Melee/Range (Melee dominant).
  I think that Melee with Human's are quite easy, though my damage will be considerable lower for the first few levels.
  
  -Installing right now.
  
  :] I think, Melee First, then Range, and then ... Magic?
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-01 12:22

  Quote from Raj;24445:

  The Role-Playing is what's really throwing me off.
  I really want to do G1,2,3-9.
  Not 5-9..
  So, I could have Melee/Range (Melee dominant).
  I think that Melee with Human's are quite easy, though my damage will be considerable lower for the first few levels.
  
  -Installing right now.
  
  :] I think, Melee First, then Range, and then ... Magic?

  
  
  Humans are G1-3, G7-9. Elves are G5, G7-9.
  Though I'll agree, Humans have much more storyline and stuff to get through. However, that's a one time thing. If you plan on playing for a couple months you should pick which race really appeals to you by their abilities. If that means Elf, then stick with your Elf and just do G1-3 on your Human before setting him aside.
  
  But if you do decide on Human, Melee is the easiest and most efficient skill set well into the first thousand levels. I'm sure you've seen it in some other thread - Windmill first along with Refine, followed by Critical, then Smash and Combat Mastery. Keep everything as low as possible and rank to 1 in that order. Daggers, Gladii, and Leather Long Bow works fine.
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-01 12:36
  2 main characters? ew :P
  I think I'll stick with human, lots of it having to do with flexibility and long-term availability.
  And, I suppose I'll start with Melee, with Range at like - Rank F. Rofl
  Going into the game. Now - To decide to be Ash or Raj. -Shrugs-
• Criticalxhit wrote on 2010-05-01 13:36
  I would say if you intend to work on the character for a long time, make a human. That way you can get AR, FH, and etc., train WM easier, and have an easier time meleeing, which you probably will end up doing. I used to play on my elf mainly, but the lag and constant deaths forced my hand, and I became a human, which I now favor. I only wish I hadn't ranked CM so high when it was my alt -.-
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-01 13:44
  I'm Level 4 right now (75%) got some normal Ferghus Daggers, and an WMing.
  What rank should I cap before I level..?
  9, right? Then I can do the rest...later.
  
  And I plan to stick to this human - I hope! -MOTIVATION PLEASE!-
• Bankai231 wrote on 2010-05-01 14:03

  Quote from Raj;24450:

  2 main characters? ew :P
  I think I'll stick with human, lots of it having to do with flexibility and long-term availability.
  And, I suppose I'll start with Melee, with Range at like - Rank F. Rofl
  Going into the game. Now - To decide to be Ash or Raj. -Shrugs-

  
  
  You do know that you can get a free elf card when you ally with them right? ;) Try to test out both characters and go from there
• Taran wrote on 2010-05-01 14:11
  Giants. AFter the patch that makes their throwing attack stronger
• Criticalxhit wrote on 2010-05-01 14:24
  WM a much as you can today - that way you won't put it off (like I am). You probably will want to get a gladius and a Stiff Fierce Mace/Kite Shield A.S.A.P; the gladii for WMing (see Using WM Effectively), and the Mace/Shield in situations where death is likely (high-hitting mobs). The sooner you get them, the less time you'll spend prof'ing them later on. Whenever you get tired of WMing, you can focus on leveling, with WM finishing optional (Party â–º Finish Rules? â–º Anyone in the party)... But that's kind of opinion based :P
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-01 15:02
  I really recommend melee. Even if you end up screwing up skills and not getting WM to R1, you still have a chance to get through the generation quests.
  
  My level 50 no-rebirth new character is testimony to that (got through G1 until around the last part, G9, G10, and halfway through G11 and left at Peaca part, no transformation to help through battles). She has Rank D windmill and CM 9. I purposely screwed it up because I was planning to abandon the character after some time. The enchants on the equipment were quite good though.
  
  Also, don't play Elf if you lag a lot. Human is better for everything. Giants are not bad as well for their uniqueness.
  
  The plan should be:
  
  - Find a way to level and making use of the free rebirths
  - Find a way to make money (because you'll get nowhere without it)
  - Find the means to get help and get through the difficult parts of generation quests
  - Find out more about enchanting, how it is done and how to boost your damage by imbuing special properties onto equipment.
  
  Also, find out how to do exploration. More AP means more power for your character.
• Kenny? wrote on 2010-05-01 15:09
  NONO LISTEN TO ME THE HUMAN ARCHER NOOB :O!
  
  I've played elves and humans. Humans>Elven archery IMO. Elves get shorter load time, sure, but they have a fail aim speed and cost a lot more ap to rank range. Humans get a really good dex boost in general and have 1.5x more aim speed, and trust me, from my experience, that's A LOT. Also, we get AR :D. It's really useful. + We get more damage if we needa go melee for a sec, and most elven archers don't rank combat mastery, so they lack hp.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-05-01 15:10
  as for elf lag, you can fix it through edit in pleone.dll to make the elf animation into human one
  
  and elf is specialized in range, thus they are best (imo)
  
  also in korean servers, they call human archer useless compared to elf archers
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-01 15:16

  Quote from kennyice;24493:

  NONO LISTEN TO ME THE HUMAN ARCHER NOOB :O!
  
  I've played elves and humans. Humans>Elven archery IMO. Elves get shorter load time, sure, but they have a fail aim speed and cost a lot more ap to rank range. Humans get a really good dex boost in general and have 1.5x more aim speed, and trust me, from my experience, that's A LOT. Also, we get AR :D. It's really useful. + We get more damage if we needa go melee for a sec, and most elven archers don't rank combat mastery, so they lack hp.

  
  Actually, no.
  
  In some of the servers, there's this thing called China Dragon Armor which boosts attacking speed. I've seen elves attacking really fast. They do make human archers look useless.
  
  Elves are unrivalled when it comes to magnum spamming. I've yet to see a human doing that at their speed.
  
  Also, one thing to note, I will lag a lot when there is an elf in the party, due to the numerous attacks they using within a single time.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-01 15:34
  If you have a way to consistently remove elf lag (through modding), elves are very good at range. However, elves are the same as everyone in magic, but they have really bad melee relative to everyone else.
  
  In terms of not missing, AR does its job so much better. In terms of damage, elf range will beat human if they have the same huge amount of dex/+damage equipments.
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-01 15:35

  Quote from Taran;24470:

  Giants. AFter the patch that makes their throwing attack stronger

  
  Erm. -Nty ... - Giants are ugly. :]
  

  Quote from Bankai231;24467:

  You do know that you can get a free elf card when you ally with them right? ;) Try to test out both characters and go from there

  
  Yes, I know. I've tested both out before. But as I said before, sticking with human. :D
  

  Quote from Criticalxhit;24478:

  WM a much as you can today - that way you won't put it off (like I am). You probably will want to get a gladius and a Stiff Fierce Mace/Kite Shield A.S.A.P; the gladii for WMing (see Using WM Effectively), and the Mace/Shield in situations where death is likely (high-hitting mobs). The sooner you get them, the less time you'll spend prof'ing them later on. Whenever you get tired of WMing, you can focus on leveling, with WM finishing optional (Party â–º Finish Rules? â–º Anyone in the party)... But that's kind of opinion based :P

  
  Lool. -Wms like hell- :O Kite Shield = Expensive. Wait, is a gladi + Stiff fierce mace/gladi + kite shield or gladi + stiff fierce (enchant that works for both) mace/kite shield? or mace shield..?
  Okay. Well, I am a pretty low level, so I bet i'll get back to WMing in no time, ahah.
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;24491:

  I really recommend melee. Even if you end up screwing up skills and not getting WM to R1, you still have a chance to get through the generation quests.
  
  My level 50 no-rebirth new character is testimony to that (got through G1 until around the last part, G9, G10, and halfway through G11 and left at Peaca part, no transformation to help through battles). She has Rank D windmill and CM 9. I purposely screwed it up because I was planning to abandon the character after some time. The enchants on the equipment were quite good though.
  
  Also, don't play Elf if you lag a lot. Human is better for everything. Giants are not bad as well for their uniqueness.
  
  The plan should be:
  
  - Find a way to level and making use of the free rebirths
  - Find a way to make money (because you'll get nowhere without it)
  - Find the means to get help and get through the difficult parts of generation quests
  - Find out more about enchanting, how it is done and how to boost your damage by imbuing special properties onto equipment.
  
  Also, find out how to do exploration. More AP means more power for your character.

  
  -Tries to find out everything.- I'm probably going to be melee, due to simply effective results. Uhm, will go into the other forms of fighting (ooh alchemy), when I am decent or maxed with melee skills.
  

  Quote from kennyice;24493:

  NONO LISTEN TO ME THE HUMAN ARCHER NOOB :O!
  
  I've played elves and humans. Humans>Elven archery IMO. Elves get shorter load time, sure, but they have a fail aim speed and cost a lot more ap to rank range. Humans get a really good dex boost in general and have 1.5x more aim speed, and trust me, from my experience, that's A LOT. Also, we get AR :D. It's really useful. + We get more damage if we needa go melee for a sec, and most elven archers don't rank combat mastery, so they lack hp.

  
  Pretty much - Humans are better if you're not going to be full on range. Which I'm probably not going to be.
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;24497:

  Actually, no.
  
  In some of the servers, there's this thing called China Dragon Armor which boosts attacking speed. I've seen elves attacking really fast. They do make human archers look useless.
  
  Elves are unrivalled when it comes to magnum spamming. I've yet to see a human doing that at their speed.
  
  Also, one thing to note, I will lag a lot when there is an elf in the party, due to the numerous attacks they using within a single time.

  
  
  Oh. Lagging - Fail :[
  I had an elf, Level 50, then lost it...I didn't quit, I lost it.
  It was a melee/range actually, mainly because I couldn't live without melee. And I regretted that at Level 40-50, because the unbalance caused both melee and range to be low, and also, there's the fact that if I was going to go hybrid, I'd have to go Range/Magic, if I wanted to have effective attacks.
  
  Thank you for your responses everyone. :]
  I have concluded, No elf, human.
  First Melee, then Range, and Then Alchemy/Magic...or Alchemy with range, not sure about that yet.
  I'm in Ruairi, the name is Andhy, because Ash was taken. :[~ So I named it after this cat's nickname.. Haha! So everyone add me!
  
  Oh, and I haven't found a good windmill guide. How do you counter? What are the missing ???s that I need to level up?
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-05-01 15:37

  Quote from kennyice;24493:

  NONO LISTEN TO ME THE HUMAN ARCHER NOOB :O!
  
  I've played elves and humans. Humans>Elven archery IMO. Elves get shorter load time, sure, but they have a fail aim speed and cost a lot more ap to rank range. Humans get a really good dex boost in general and have 1.5x more aim speed, and trust me, from my experience, that's A LOT. Also, we get AR :D. It's really useful. + We get more damage if we needa go melee for a sec, and most elven archers don't rank combat mastery, so they lack hp.

  
  
  Frankly, the aim speed really is quite noticeable. When it comes to long range Magnum Shots, my human friend can fire two of them at full aim. But the elf advantage is in speed and zero shooting. Honestly, it's really nothing much to compare when it's up close and personal. Elves just blast too fast, even when humans and giants switch to melee. The ability to advance towards an enemy as they push back is one of the luxuries of elves.
  
  Anyways, as a long time elf player, I have admit that the early weeks of elf play is really troublesome. But, in the end, I find the effort rewarding.
  
  I would draw up the AR vs Elf Range DPS argument but I lost my calculator after my Calculus midterm D: