g13 and Spirit Weapons

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Yanm wrote on 2010-12-13 04:16

Before I begin this post, I'd like to apologize to everyone who is tired of seeing ego threads. Please don't get mad at me for this, I couldn't find any threads pertaining to g13, how ego's will be and comparing ego bows and swords! Or maybe I didn't look hard enough.....:what:

Anyway, now with the g13 upgrades coming out, they've seem to have made egos a bit redundant. Those extra stat boosts and the critical damage can improve a weapon greatly. However, my question is this: Out of ego bows and ego swords, which weapon seems a lot crappier thanks to those upgrades for end-game? What I'm asking is, will it be better too get an ego bow now instead of an ego sword because of the upgrades if you're thinking about end-game, where your melee and range skills are all maxed out? Thanks for the opinions!! :awesome:
Again, I'm sorry for making this particular thread :T_T:
Akemii wrote on 2010-12-13 04:19

What are these new G13 upgrades you speak of?
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-13 04:36

I would say out of all the egos, ego Two-Hander Sword can be replaced by regular weapons with upgrades. It is hard to replace some of the Two-hander sword type egos with high critical as well as decent max damage though.

Ego bow will always have its range. One-hander sword egos will have its diversity.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-13 04:45

Spirit two-handed weapons aren't much better than their upgraded/enchanted counterparts. It sucks to be one of those guys.

Spirit one-handed weapons are in a much better position. They have notably greater critical and maximum compared to their vanilla versions. However, Humans also have the potential to duel wield the Sword of Elsinore, which would eliminate upgraded weapons as an option. The spirit bastard sword is your best bet.

Spirit ranged weapons are the least affected. I believe the R-Type upgrade improves critical damage, which may be favorable...regardless, spirit bows have better range and far greater ADACT than standard ranged weapons.

Spirit wa-...forget it.
Kenero wrote on 2010-12-13 04:50

Quote from Kaeporo;246112:
Spirit two-handed weapons aren't much better than their upgraded/enchanted counterparts. It sucks to be one of those guys.

Spirit one-handed weapons are in a much better position. They have notably greater critical and maximum compared to their vanilla versions. However, Humans also have the potential to duel wield the Sword of Elsinore, which would eliminate upgraded weapons as an option. The spirit bastard sword is your best bet.

Spirit ranged weapons are the least affected. I believe the R-Type upgrade improves critical damage, which may be favorable...regardless, spirit bows have better range and far greater ADACT than standard ranged weapons.

Spirit wa-...forget it.

Long term wise would be egos, but quick fix are artesian weapons, right?
jking012 wrote on 2010-12-13 05:36

so really? spirit bow or spirit sword.....
gtfo
spirit axe >:)
krpr wrote on 2010-12-13 05:49

Quote from Kaeporo;246112:

Spirit one-handed weapons are in a much better position. They have notably greater critical and maximum compared to their vanilla versions. However, Humans also have the potential to duel wield the Sword of Elsinore, which would eliminate upgraded weapons as an option. The spirit bastard sword is your best bet.

Doesn't this sword require the rosemary gloves who're actually epicly expensive to get? i remember reading something about the price to make these gloves and it wasn't cheap at all
Aubog007 wrote on 2010-12-13 06:02

Quote from Kaeporo;246112:
Spirit two-handed weapons aren't much better than their upgraded/enchanted counterparts. It sucks to be one of those guys.

Spirit one-handed weapons are in a much better position. They have notably greater critical and maximum compared to their vanilla versions. However, Humans also have the potential to duel wield the Sword of Elsinore, which would eliminate upgraded weapons as an option. The spirit bastard sword is your best bet.

Spirit ranged weapons are the least affected. I believe the R-Type upgrade improves critical damage, which may be favorable...regardless, spirit bows have better range and far greater ADACT than standard ranged weapons.

Spirit wa-...forget it.

I would R type the 1H and make it some epic crit. Since G14 they made overupgrade to 6 now.
Yanm wrote on 2010-12-13 17:01

*reads through posts and views poll options* Something told me to not add that Ice Cream choice! I should've specified the flavor. Oh well, it seems that ego bows are still as good as they used too be, and 2handed ego's seem kinda fail now. Bleh, guess I'll wait for a Black Ring Bow now x_X Still open to opinions!
@Endless what about a Rich Crocodile +3 max, crit, min, 17 dur Claymore? Add a coupon and the gem upgrade and it'll have 107 max and 33% crit. Rich Crocodile on to that and you have 28-162 max weapon. Repairable too, and then add some of the Artisan upgrades and....well, I'll just say it'll be strong.
Archibald wrote on 2010-12-13 17:50

This is what I did. I took a look into the future and endgame and got a ego Ringbow. Swords for the most part will have upgrade potential that puts non ego very close to ego. Even though range isn't my first choice, my second choice, and sometimes not even my third choice, it has the most potential increase from egoing a bow. Plus endgame your going to have somewhere in the ballpark of 500 Base Dex at level 1/1, which is very powerful.

Generic calculations: ego ring maxed at 50: 155 Max Damage + (500 dex) = 355 non trans damage nakid. For me on a dex roll (DK ftw)+144 for 499 max damage before enchants. This could be very useful to have up your sleeve even if your a mage like me.

Now comparitively a non ego highlander bow will have 95ish max fully enchanted and upgraded.

Now the ego sword argument is this: 300ish str (someone can correct all my numbers) at 1/1 Plus ego bastard sword = 309 max to start trans str roll 443. Fairly big difference. Now it next would come down to stlye.

2 hander swords are getting outclassed in this update with duel wielding.

Wands....wands get a beautiful upgrade in the future which puts them even further out of league with ego ones. 26% increase to critical damage. making Thunder damage incredible on crits. Same with blaze and fireball. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE EGO A WAND. I have no idea.

I would like to see a ego cylinder that gives an increase in chain cylinder skill based on social. Maybe something like 10% bonus for every 10 social levels after 20. Plus depending on element of cylinder increase in that elemental damage. Non elemental cylinder would get smaller bonus for ALL elementals.
Hei wrote on 2010-12-13 21:25

Quote from EndlessDreams;246091:
I would say out of all the egos, ego Two-Hander Sword can be replaced by regular weapons with upgrades. It is hard to replace some of the Two-hander sword type egos with high critical as well as decent max damage though.

Ego bow will always have its range. One-hander sword egos will have its diversity.

The critical for 2H egos can be matched by a coupon upgraded claymore. One of the current upgrade paths can make it 92 max and 43 critical. But yea damage will still be pretty far off.

The way I see it, unless there is a 2H ego revamp in the future, 2H egos will have a pretty bad fate.
This is because 1H sword ego damage is a combination of upgraded weapon damage and ego damage, while 2H sword ego is just the ego damage.
Any future boosts to upgraded weapons will be a boost towards the 1h sword ego but of no consequence to the 2H ego.
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-13 21:53

Quote from Hei;246747:
The critical for 2H egos can be matched by a coupon upgraded claymore. One of the current upgrade paths can make it 92 max and 43 critical. But yea damage will still be pretty far off.

What I meant was that you can't upgrade and enchant your fancy dragon tooth two hander type sword to 210+ max damage and still have 30%+ critical on the sword or some highlander claymore to 170+ damage with tons of critical.

92 max damage and 43 critical is very far off to some level 40 stats/50 stats DSK/Masamune which has around 220+ max dmg, 35%+ critical.
Hei wrote on 2010-12-13 22:02

Quote from Archibald;246531:
This is what I did. I took a look into the future and endgame and got a ego Ringbow. Swords for the most part will have upgrade potential that puts non ego very close to ego. Even though range isn't my first choice, my second choice, and sometimes not even my third choice, it has the most potential increase from egoing a bow. Plus endgame your going to have somewhere in the ballpark of 500 Base Dex at level 1/1, which is very powerful.

Generic calculations: ego ring maxed at 50: 155 Max Damage + (500 dex) = 355 non trans damage nakid. For me on a dex roll (DK ftw)+144 for 499 max damage before enchants. This could be very useful to have up your sleeve even if your a mage like me.

Now comparitively a non ego highlander bow will have 95ish max fully enchanted and upgraded.

Now the ego sword argument is this: 300ish str (someone can correct all my numbers) at 1/1 Plus ego bastard sword = 309 max to start trans str roll 443. Fairly big difference. Now it next would come down to stlye.

2 hander swords are getting outclassed in this update with duel wielding.

Wands....wands get a beautiful upgrade in the future which puts them even further out of league with ego ones. 26% increase to critical damage. making Thunder damage incredible on crits. Same with blaze and fireball. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE EGO A WAND. I have no idea.

I would like to see a ego cylinder that gives an increase in chain cylinder skill based on social. Maybe something like 10% bonus for every 10 social levels after 20. Plus depending on element of cylinder increase in that elemental damage. Non elemental cylinder would get smaller bonus for ALL elementals.

Well, as for end game

Ego bast is 189 max, but dual wielded is like 309(for now, since we know there will be better upgrades)

ego ring bow is 155,

so difference in weapon damage is 309-155=154

Stat difference between strength and dexterity is about 200, the equivalent of 80 max.

so 154-80=74?

Purely damage wise without the consideration of skills, even with the humongous stats advantage of archery it seems like there is a shortage for the ego bow.

Edit: To clear any confusions, I agree that you have a point if you only care about end game versatility.

Quote from EndlessDreams;246800:
What I meant was that you can't upgrade and enchant your fancy dragon tooth two hander type sword to 210+ max damage and still have 30%+ critical on the sword or some highlander claymore to 170+ damage with tons of critical.

92 max damage and 43 critical is very far off to some level 40 stats/50 stats DSK/Masamune which has around 220+ max dmg, 35%+ critical.

The 93* max is the path right now without any future considerations or enchantments.
43 crit is also just base grade, so it's 46 at best. I'd imagine enchanted and g13 upped it would be different.
The highlander claymore's current upgrade path is not really much higher in damage in comparison but with much less critical. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the new upgrades were for any weapons.

DSKS ego will only have 37 critical end game, and I know that Masamune ego has 40+.

But upgraded Claymore's critical can definitely match or beat it.

I understand that there is a different system for the dragon tooth though.
Taliya wrote on 2010-12-13 23:01

Thoughts on giant Egos. Broad axe? Iron Mace?
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-13 23:34

Quote from Taliya;246876:
Thoughts on giant Egos. Broad axe? Iron Mace?

Well.

The Broad Axe ego is hands-down better than the Battle Hammer ego. You can wield an upgraded/enchanted vanilla Giant blunt weapon and achieve similar stats compared to a high level spirit weapon.

I literally know nothing about the Iron Mace. Sorry.

Off-Topic; Kinda,

Will weapon mastery skills positively affect both weapons when duel wielded? ie: Imagine two swords which when wielded by the player have a maximum damage of zero. r1 Sword Mastery would give the player a maximum damage output of 20 with each hit. When using r1 Smash, would the player have a maximum damage 100 of or 200?

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