g13 and Spirit Weapons

• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-12-14 00:11

  Quote from Kaeporo;246901:

  Well.
  
  The Broad Axe ego is hands-down better than the Battle Hammer ego. You can wield an upgraded/enchanted vanilla Giant blunt weapon and achieve similar stats compared to a high level spirit weapon.
  
  I literally know nothing about the Iron Mace. Sorry.
  
  Off-Topic; Kinda,
  
  Will weapon mastery skills positively affect both weapons when duel wielded? ie: Imagine two swords which when wielded by the player have a maximum damage of zero. r1 Sword Mastery would give the player a maximum damage output of 20 with each hit. When using r1 Smash, would the player have a maximum damage 100 of or 200?

  
  
  Yes. Think about normal hitting... Would you do only 10 more damage per sword? Nope. 20.
• Hei wrote on 2010-12-14 00:11
  Ego iron mace is really a monster weapon. It boasts the best end game damage for the 1 handed weapon, and matches the maximum damage of some of the best 2handed egos. I think it will be the last thing to be replaced.
• Yanm wrote on 2010-12-14 00:56
  I'd have too honestly say that Iron Mace ego would win out. Titantic Crocodile Broad Axe+Axe Mastery+If you can get additional crit damage=Monsters run when in trans. I can't say for sure if it'd outclass a level 50 Broad Axe, but I'd imagine it'd get close in damage. With the Iron Mace having 8% crit, you'd think the BA and BH outclass it there, but since crit is averaged, I THINK that if you pair a Highest crit +3 crit warhammer with the gem upgrade and shadow hunter caliburn, it'll reach 60% crit and that should average out to 52%....which is close too that of a Battle Hammer. No wait..I forgot about Axe Mastery's additional crit! Ok, Broad Axe really does outclass it in crit then, by around 10% or so.
  From what I've read, it seems like bow ego's would be the best for endgame and won't be truly outclassed by the Artisan Upgrades, while 2handed swords once again get shafted. 1handed ego's seem to still retain there usefulness and get boosted thanks to the upgrades. Discuss away still, I'm sure there's a lot more too be said!!
  Off-topic: If only Ring bows could be dyed -_-
• pataterose wrote on 2010-12-14 01:03
  enchanted, upgraded and overupgarded +3 titanic crocodile broad axe can reach 201 max damage (206 if you get good quality broad axe and use necromancer instead of titanic). can probly go to like 230 with overupgrade +6 (speculation, but would make sense :x)
  
  nothing comes remotely near the iron mace ego. (exept sword of elsinore, wich cant be dual weilded by giants)
• Username wrote on 2010-12-14 01:32
  I wanna see good Cylinder designes, since everyone is against me wanting Cylinder based Ego's us alchemists have to rely on normal cylinders to fight, no spirits involved.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-14 02:03

  Quote from Aubog007;246968:

  Yes. Think about normal hitting... Would you do only 10 more damage per sword? Nope. 20.

  
  
  The final nail in the two-handed weapon's coffin.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-12-14 02:04

  Quote from pataterose;247058:

  enchanted, upgraded and overupgarded +3 titanic crocodile broad axe can reach 201 max damage (206 if you get good quality broad axe and use necromancer instead of titanic). can probly go to like 230 with overupgrade +6 (speculation, but would make sense :x)
  
  nothing comes remotely near the iron mace ego. (exept sword of elsinore, wich cant be dual weilded by giants)

  
  
  Dual Duke Might Maces Overupgraded i bet.
• Zid wrote on 2010-12-14 02:58
  Another bright side to dual wielding G13 upgraded Melee weapons with egos: both weapons shine from glows. :pika_smile:
  
  Two-handed weapons aren't designed for max regular damage anyway, with the advent of dual wield. The problem is, Smash sometimes isn't enough to warrant frequent use of two-handed weapons, not today or in the future (Down Attack has no two-handed bonus).
  
  Two-handed weapons need more than just Smash damage advantage to be competitive, in my opinion.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-12-14 06:21

  Quote from pataterose;247058:

  enchanted, upgraded and overupgarded +3 titanic crocodile broad axe can reach 201 max damage (206 if you get good quality broad axe and use necromancer instead of titanic). can probly go to like 230 with overupgrade +6 (speculation, but would make sense :x)
  
  nothing comes remotely near the iron mace ego. (exept sword of elsinore, wich cant be dual weilded by giants)

  
  
  You make it sound like you're guessing. That and the critical rate would never make consider an iron mace Ego. Maybe if you enjoy WM spamming 24/7. Otherwise dual upgraded warhammers alone are a much better option considering you need around 90% crit in order to have a 30% rate outside of WM in shadow missions.
• Deitylight wrote on 2010-12-14 06:28

  Quote from Archibald;246531:

  This is what I did. I took a look into the future and endgame and got a ego Ringbow. Swords for the most part will have upgrade potential that puts non ego very close to ego. Even though range isn't my first choice, my second choice, and sometimes not even my third choice, it has the most potential increase from egoing a bow. Plus endgame your going to have somewhere in the ballpark of 500 Base Dex at level 1/1, which is very powerful.
  
  Generic calculations: ego ring maxed at 50: 155 Max Damage + (500 dex) = 355 non trans damage nakid. For me on a dex roll (DK ftw)+144 for 499 max damage before enchants. This could be very useful to have up your sleeve even if your a mage like me.
  
  Now comparitively a non ego highlander bow will have 95ish max fully enchanted and upgraded.
  
  Now the ego sword argument is this: 300ish str (someone can correct all my numbers) at 1/1 Plus ego bastard sword = 309 max to start trans str roll 443. Fairly big difference. Now it next would come down to stlye.
  
  2 hander swords are getting outclassed in this update with duel wielding.
  
  Wands....wands get a beautiful upgrade in the future which puts them even further out of league with ego ones. 26% increase to critical damage. making Thunder damage incredible on crits. Same with blaze and fireball. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE EGO A WAND. I have no idea.
  
  I would like to see a ego cylinder that gives an increase in chain cylinder skill based on social. Maybe something like 10% bonus for every 10 social levels after 20. Plus depending on element of cylinder increase in that elemental damage. Non elemental cylinder would get smaller bonus for ALL elementals.

  
  Either way I'm still keeping mine with the upgraded weapons for personal reasons.
• Karuta wrote on 2010-12-14 06:48

  Quote from Taliya;247504:

  You make it sound like you're guessing. That and the critical rate would never make consider an iron mace Ego. Maybe if you enjoy WM spamming 24/7. Otherwise dual upgraded warhammers alone are a much better option considering you need around 90% crit in order to have a 30% rate outside of WM in shadow missions.

  
  
  You make it sound like just because their critical rate isn't high that their smash is useless. I have a bast ego and just because I lack crit doesn't mean that my smash isn't helpful or that I'm only able to spam windmill.
  
  There are plenty of critical enchant set ups one can use, to achieve the same critical as other weapons and still have more damage.
  
  I feel like people put down Iron mace and bast egos without looking at the math and doing the research beforehand.
  
  For dual wield skill critical is averaged, while skill damage, gear damage, and gear critical isn't.
  
  Meaning, you can easily gain just as much critical through gears. Getting that max damage you sacrificed back is a whole different story.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-12-14 06:59

  Quote from ACME;247528:

  Getting that max damage you sacrificed back is a whole different story.

  
  
  Yeah... kinda killed your argument. ._.;
• Karuta wrote on 2010-12-14 07:58

  Quote from Taliya;247536:

  Yeah... kinda killed your argument. ._.;

  
  
  I don't believe I did.
  
  Getting say..a gladius ego over a bast ego. By getting a gladius ego you're sacrificing max damage for critical on the weapon. Critical that can easily be made up for in the equips, while the max damage however can't be. You need to look at the actual math.
  
  I'm basically saying with the right set ups you can have the same critical and better damage.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-12-14 08:22
  Lets not forget the +critical damage upgrades to be released. @w@
• Karuta wrote on 2010-12-14 08:37

  Quote from Taliya;247600:

  Lets not forget the +critical damage upgrades to be released. @w@

  
  
  I'm sure those will be nice, and pairing that..with a end game iron mace ego..with the right equips
  makes me wish I was a giant.
  
  I'm not familiar with the upgrades themselves tbh, I was merely addressing your part of the
  argument about iron mace egos and only being able windmill spam 24/7.