Using transformations without AP?

• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-24 08:11

  Quote from Tasha;260708:

  All of those battles should be 0 by now.

  
  
  I think she meant Boat 4, which would make sense because the minimum is 10 I think. Though I don't see why you would do any of those dungeons over a quick lag run for twice the ap at roughly the same amount of time and tokens.
• Phoenix~Lament wrote on 2010-12-24 08:32
  I think it would be a good idea if Nexon made trans cost NX or gold instead, actually.
  
  NX would be typical of Nexon in order for them to make money off of people who would pay to make the game easier, just like they sell Goddess Graces and merc pots.
  
  But gold is what makes sense to me. MMO's need more sources that draw ingame currency out of the system in order to help steady the massive inflation that is inevitable in MMO's.
  
  whyrainfalls, yeah, it pretty much is about when transforming is a better option than not. The Double AP example is good, even though it's extreme, because it certainly does happen. People will transform when they feel it's best and I personally just draw that line very conservatively.
• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-24 08:37

  Quote from Phoenix~Lament;260767:

  I think it would be a good idea if Nexon made trans cost NX or gold instead, actually.
  
  NX would be typical of Nexon in order for them to make money off of people who would pay to make the game easier, just like they sell Goddess Graces and merc pots.
  
  But gold is what makes sense to me. MMO's need more sources that draw ingame currency out of the system in order to help steady the massive inflation that is inevitable in MMO's.

  
  
  I'd rather have it consume AP than gold. Dyeing is good enough of a gold sink.
  Using NX to trans makes sense but it would make a lot people rage.
• babohtea wrote on 2010-12-24 08:40
  You cannot solo Titan without transformation.
  I don't even know if you could do it WITH* the transformation.
  As soon as the Raid bosses get to be 8 people or more, I'm almost certain you can't do it alone.
• Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-24 08:49

  Quote from babohtea;260779:

  You cannot solo Titan without transformation.
  I don't even know if you could do it WITHOUT the transformation.
  As soon as the Raid bosses get to be 8 people or more, I'm almost certain you can't do it alone.

  
  
  Titan sounds like a PUGstomper. Also, imagine the lag xDD
• Kueh wrote on 2010-12-24 08:52

  Quote from babohtea;260779:

  You cannot solo Titan without transformation.

  
  
  Why not?
• Ninmenka wrote on 2010-12-24 09:18
  If it hasn't been made clear already, the 10AP isn't wasted as it goes toward leveling your transformation of choice.
• heretic304 wrote on 2010-12-24 09:22

  Quote from Ninmenka;260837:

  If it hasn't been made clear already, the 10AP isn't wasted as it goes toward leveling your transformation of choice.

  
  
  It was made clear already, but apparently now they're arguing about what happens once you max out your transformation. Then you're wasting AP on it, but if you really think about it... by the time you finish maxing out your transformation, you'll probably be full into the late stages of your build, by which time you don't have any important skills to rank anymore. So in a sense you can see the Transformations as an AP sink, just like how Restoring Armor and Dyeing things are money sinks.
• Papa wrote on 2010-12-24 09:35
  While I certainly ADORE the challenge in not only soloing, but doing it within good time...
  
  I love transforming and completely tearing everything up. Its a different type of rush, I guess. Things in boat 5 die within the first 30 secs - minute of transformation though, lol. Kinda kills it for me. Exception being Urkul, but hes a whole different ballgame.
  
  

  Quote from babohtea;260779:

  You cannot solo Titan without transformation.
  I don't even know if you could do it WITHOUT the transformation.
  As soon as the Raid bosses get to be 8 people or more, I'm almost certain you can't do it alone.

  
  
  Missed this post. And what a pathetic one it is, seeing your signature and character levels.
  
  Anyhoo...
  
  The one korean video I recall is of a HAMMER FIONA, arguably one of the weakest match ups for that level range. She soloed Titan. If she can do it, the others can.
  
  Transformations not included, mind you.
• babohtea wrote on 2010-12-24 16:50

  Quote from Papa;260888:

  Missed this post. And what a pathetic one it is, seeing your signature and character levels.
  
  Anyhoo...
  
  The one korean video I recall is of a HAMMER FIONA, arguably one of the weakest match ups for that level range. She soloed Titan, mind you. If she can do it, the others can.
  
  Transformations not included, mind you.

  
  
  :(
  I stand corrected. However, most videos of Titan solo attempts I've seen failed because they ran out of time.
  
  On a side note, what does my character level have to do with anything? I can still be knowledgeable about the game. Fallacy: Ad Hominem
• Kueh wrote on 2010-12-24 18:12
  ^ It's not ad hominem if it relates to what we're talking about. In this case, it's Non-sequitur.
  
  And just so you know for the future, anything can be soloed.
• babohtea wrote on 2010-12-24 18:37

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;261101:

  ^ It's not ad hominem if it relates to what we're talking about. In this case, it's Non-sequitur.
  
  And just so you know for the future, anything can be soloed.

  
  
  Thor? :P
  
  I thought Hominem was just trying to link the validity of a persons claims with the person's characteristics. Non Sequitor is just anything that has no logical connection. Maybe I got them switched up a bit.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-12-24 18:41
  ^ Yes.
  
  I just watched a Fiona Video that showed a tactic that can be used to solo any boss.
  
  It would probably be a lot harder for other classes, so I'm gonna start leveling my fiona.
  
  :lol:
• Darkwolf30 wrote on 2010-12-24 18:42

  Quote from babohtea;261135:

  Thor? :P

  
  
  Give it time and someone will manage it.