Potential Solution to Alexina's Problems

• ShadowFox31 wrote on 2011-01-01 06:17
  I think that if they would ever do a server merge, that the merging wouldn't be the problem, but NEXON itself. They haven't been very reliable in the first place and doing something like a server merge might cause some bad problems that NEXON would just sweep under the carpet.
  
  Also, economy changes all the time. Halloween witch robes used to be 15 million on my server, now they are 4~8 million. Banallen's ceremonial wear used to be 60 million. now they are like, 30 million.
• Cannibal wrote on 2011-01-01 06:20

  Quote from ShadowFox31;271833:

  
  Also, economy changes all the time. Halloween witch robes used to be 15 million on my server, now they are 4~8 million. Banallen's ceremonial wear used to be 60 million. now they are like, 30 million.

  
  The economy doesn't change drastically in a short amount of time unless there's an event or a nerf that allows for easier obtaining of an item.
  
  Witch Robes and Ghost used to be 10m-15m here. Now they hardly sell. Thanks, Halloween event.
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2011-01-01 06:28
  Server mergers do fix some things, and also upset others.
  Of late, the Price server which is a result of the latest server mergers is extremely laggy.
  The server population has indeed increased, and I doubt sufficient hardware is allocated.
  Also, the AI of monsters seems to have sped up as well (similar to NA Alexina's situation).
  
  Also, when there is a server merger, housing is non-existent for 3 weeks.
  Your mailbox items will disappear so you should never put items in mailbox in case of server mergers.
  All notes will be deleted as well. And people with repeated names will have annotated old server names at the back.
  You can change the names but it's a first come first serve thing.
  There are some troublemakers who grab the names of famous guilds or people who never had the intention of changing their names.
  Therefore, when the announcement came for us, they only gave us 3 days. Which isn't enough for people who had a lot of items in mailbox and needed to prepare getting them out.
  And you can get seal breaker titles all over again.
  
  Among some of the fixes we did see is some ice spear effect bug and also Royal Alchemist announcements (previously, the green bar scrolling on top announced for people who didn't get RA, making it misleading, now no).
• Rebel wrote on 2011-01-01 06:33

  Quote from Yogurticecream;271864:

  Server mergers do fix some things, and also upset others.
  Of late, the Price server which is a result of the latest server mergers is extremely laggy.
  The server population has indeed increased, and I doubt sufficient hardware is allocated.
  Also, the AI of monsters seems to have sped up as well (similar to NA Alexina's situation).
  
  Also, when there is a server merger, housing is non-existent for 3 weeks.
  Your mailbox items will disappear so you should never put items in mailbox in case of server mergers.
  

  
  
  Does this effect both servers?
  Or just the one being added to the other.
  
  If all of my items in the mail were deleted, I'd be devastated.
• Karuta wrote on 2011-01-01 06:34
  I'd probably transfer to Tarlach if I was forced to move @_@
  
  Although after having switched servers once (since I played Ruairi back in g2-g3) by choice I don't think I'd want to do that again
  
  I'm pretty attached to Alexina and the friends I play with there, not getting to see everyone I normally do everyday would be sad D:
  
  I also don't think the other servers would be affected economy wise as much..alexina has a lacking as far as rares lol..no ones even buying finest leathers here atm since our three buyers all reached r1 smith and tailor.
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2011-01-01 06:37

  Quote from Cadeau;271874:

  Does this effect both servers?
  Or just the one being added to the other.
  
  If all of my items in the mail were deleted, I'd be devastated.

  
  Both servers.
• Haydrian wrote on 2011-01-01 06:39

  Quote from abc33kr;271824:

  If only they were dedicated enough for that :/.
  
  I suggested this because this is clearly much less work than trying to fix their errors. Char names? nexon don't care. :/

  
  
  If it's been done overseas already before then it's a plausible fix that Nexon has already thought of. The question really is - does Nexon think that Alexina is broken enough to have to do that to. That's the REAL question here. The players are recognizing that there are problems - cool - but if Nexon's team doesn't dub it something to deal with it wont be dealt with. When they do they will have likely got an idea of what they plan to do, which will likely be this solution because it's most simple for them and least costly (as well as been done overseas). This still doesn't mean i agree with it, but there's nothing we can do about it.
  
  
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;271826:

  Economy does suffer some upset, however the bigger winners for consumers and biggest losers for sellers are the servers which had a smaller economy before merger (in our case, this was server 4). Nexon doesn't really care about it.

  
  
  Also, this.
  
  
  

  Quote from Yogurticecream;271864:

  Server mergers do fix some things, and also upset others.
  Of late, the Price server which is a result of the latest server mergers is extremely laggy.
  The server population has indeed increased, and I doubt sufficient hardware is allocated.
  Also, the AI of monsters seems to have sped up as well (similar to NA Alexina's situation).
  
  Also, when there is a server merger, housing is non-existent for 3 weeks.
  Your mailbox items will disappear so you should never put items in mailbox in case of server mergers.
  All notes will be deleted as well. And people with repeated names will have annotated old server names at the back.
  You can change the names but it's a first come first serve thing.
  There are some troublemakers who grab the names of famous guilds or people who never had the intention of changing their names.
  Therefore, when the announcement came for us, they only gave us 3 days. Which isn't enough for people who had a lot of items in mailbox and needed to prepare getting them out.
  And you can get seal breaker titles all over again.
  
  Among some of the fixes we did see is some ice spear effect bug and also Royal Alchemist announcements (previously, the green bar scrolling on top announced for people who didn't get RA, making it misleading, now no).

  
  
  This is good to know. I can see this occurring if things get very out of hand, however sounds very unpleasant. As much as I rallied for name changes at one point this would not be the way I'd like it to go. All i can see of the NA team doing this is catastrophe. I'm pretty sure they see that a bit too, if they did this I wouldn't be surprised if they brought over the KR team again. I can also see Tarlach or Ruairi being the effected secondary server(s) just due to ages of the servers. That is if I understand how it works right.
• gentrone wrote on 2011-01-01 06:48

  Quote from abc33kr;271810:

  But... you are the professional one here. Please do explain flaws in my reasoning.

  
  
  xP
  
  I barely know some basic stuff yet, but that problem is typical: when different demands for the same product need to be graphed together.
  
  

  Yes, the slopes will be different, but they shouldn't deviate too much and when zoomed out, they would look the same.

  
  
  They aren't parallel anymore since we plan to merge the markets, thus we can't analyze them separately. We are talking about aggregate demand. If the equations had the same slope (or very similar) we could just sum in function of Q. In example:
  
  D1: Q=-2P+3
  D2: Q=-2p+5
  TD: Q=-4P+8
  
  However, different slopes call for a big demand with a break point (transition between slopes). One demand will necessarily be 'bigger' than the other one, meaning 'it' will be willing to buy the same quantity at a higher price. At some point, supply will intersect with this total demand, could be with the ones willing to pay more, or the ones willing to pay less, depends on the supply curve entirely and its slope. If the first happens, people willing to pay less won't be able to 'afford' these goods and at the same time, supply will be stable at that point (which is bad). If the second happens, then everybody will be able to afford buying these goods.
  
  Example:
  
  

  [Image: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_7/PThy_Chapter_71.GIF]

  
  
  That's how a demand with different slopes would look like. Supply will intersect before or after the breaking point.
  
  

  As for supply, the ratio between items:people won't change much since the drop rate is a set probability.

  
  
  That is true for drops. However, supply largely depends on production, and fashion/needs are not the same in two different servers. Also, the amount produced/dropped will depend in turn, on the demand. If a server is more active (namely has more players), that means they have more gold in circulation, which means certain goods would be cheaper. If this collides with a smaller economy then bad stuff happens.
  
  

  As for demand, people are people, even though individuals may be different from each other, a whole server of people are bound to be similar. Thus, the demand for an item in one server is to be similar with another server's.

  
  
  I don't agree. Look at Kr and NA, I believe people sell hw 70k/stack there, while here the higher I've seen is 30k. Also, people are the most important part in a economy, since their decisions finally determine price and quantity, just like in real life. And just like in real life, every person likes different stuff. If naruto86 likes certain item more than others and he is popular, a trend would make people want to buy said item. Also, preferred SM's and dungeons are not the same in different servers for the same reason. Therefore drops would be scarce/common depending on how often people spam different SM's/dungeons.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-01 07:01

  Quote from Wrath;271843:

  The economy doesn't change drastically in a short amount of time unless there's an event or a nerf that allows for easier obtaining of an item.
  
  Witch Robes and Ghost used to be 10m-15m here. Now they hardly sell. Thanks, Halloween event.

  
  
  Say that to the auction house which devalued every rare item it sells. Typically prices of rares would have rose. Auction took all the money on the servers and pissed it away.
  
  Server merge would cause "chaos" (lol) to the economy for a month or two. Then things would SETTLE DOWN back to normal. Only people that complain are the people that do a crap load of buying and selling. Or the people that spam gacha to sell for quick cash.
  
  
  (Which i do neither of, so bring it server merge.)
  
  
  Also on KR you have less newer players and more older players that know how to make easy cash. Hence why prices for certain things are up.
• Zid wrote on 2011-01-01 07:02

  Quote from Yogurticecream;271864:

  Your mailbox items will disappear so you should never put items in mailbox in case of server mergers.

  
  
  (Goes to recall his items)
• gentrone wrote on 2011-01-01 07:06

  Quote from Zid;271946:

  (Goes to recall his items)

  
  
  Yeah. That scared me a bit as well.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-01-01 13:37

  Quote from abc33kr;271700:

  Close down the server and give the players the option to choose which server to move to.
  
  Alexinans will be given a month notice beforehand to be prepared to move.
  This is very affordable by nexon and alexina's remaining server resources can be distributed throughout the 3 old servers so that the lag would be at minimum. Maybe add 1~3 ch to each servers.
  
  
  As background information, KR have done this before to Bear server when G10 came out.
  
  How does nation think about this idea?

  
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-01 14:19
  [s]actually i think nexon did something, since i logged that i havent had those annoying freezings[/s]
  scratch that, just noticed one
  plus i've only seen this traffic size after weekly maintenances
  
  

  [Image: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3722/mabinogi20110101001.jpg]

  
  
  
  that or nobody logged yet
• Username wrote on 2011-01-01 14:23
  Come to Ruairi and play with me!
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-01 14:25
  tarlach : pedobear server
  ruairi : emoboy server
  mari : loli nao
  
  not hard to pick