"God" and Religion.

• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 21:38

  Quote from Rime;29233:

  *Newton somehow rips a quantum tunnel from the past just to backhand you*
  Most scientists who have devised the very basic laws during the scientific revolution wanted to explain the world around them. As the most famous of the, Isaac Newton was not only a scientist, but a devout believer in god. He followed the dictum that those who truly enjoyed the gifts god left behind would do his/her best to understand them.

  
  
  I didn't say scientist don't believe in god. I said science believe in god :S is a huge difference! :o
• Chillax wrote on 2010-05-05 21:40

  Quote from Fumy;29235:

  I didn't say scientist don't believe in god. I said science believe in god :S is a huge difference! :o

  
  
  How would science believe in God?
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-05 21:40

  Quote from Fumy;29235:

  I didn't say scientist don't believe in god. I said science believe in god :S is a huge difference! :o

  
  
  Science is just a language, it can't do human things like "believe."
  Edit: Just to add on to this.
  Most people use the bible as the basis for arguing against science. Well, here's a newsflash for all of you who blindly follow that idea: God doesn't obey the bible.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-05-05 21:50
  I believe in God, but I don't believe in all the political tit-for-tats of religion.
• NewbieNub wrote on 2010-05-06 01:55

  Quote from Rime;29238:

  Science is just a language, it can't do human things like "believe."
  Edit: Just to add on to this.
  Most people use the bible as the basis for arguing against science. Well, here's a newsflash for all of you who blindly follow that idea: God doesn't obey the bible.

  
  
  Does the bible even gives you a clear idea of what god does, seriously?
  
  Bible = Written by human hands.
  
  
  Nevertheless, a faithful, fancy piece of literature written by humans who thinks that they're closer to god than other humans, no matter how many people it can turn and convert into their faith, can never speak the truth in what's god.
  
  Who knows? Maybe god screwed about with the people in the past alot, but decided to go watch over some other planet? Then again, there's always other religions out there. Considering the facts that there are other intelligent beings out there that we couldn't prove to exist (Pretty much like God him or herself), other religion from another part of the universe and considering how vast the universe might be...
  
  In the end, Christans ain't the only one claiming that there's only one god...
  
  In fact, religion is a very self-conflicting topic.
  
  
  
  Think about it, if that's true and Religion A says that their god is REAL and he or she will be the only god available, and Religion B says the very same thing about a different god, then how would it be like?
  
  
  IMO, god is just the perfect being. Not just normal perfect, he's "Perfect perfect". Being perfect in every single thing, perfection unachieveable by human hands. Someone this perfect would just exist for the sake of existing and setting a baseline for what's at the tip of the mountain, which kinda makes sense why most, if not all, gods in any religion can think up of rarely affects any parts of our lives.
  
  Just think about an ultra normal person.
• Tibarn wrote on 2010-05-06 02:08

  Quote from bradstrt;27791:

  @Iyasenu Go through a really rough depression and tell me what you think of God for putting you through that, tell me how he comes to rescue you. annnnd why doesn't he let others know that your depressed. Is he there to save you when and if you commit suicide?
  
  Why does God create serial killers, rapists, child molesters, kidnappers, thieves, terrorists. Why did he even let the creation of the gun happen?
  
  Either God is seriously fu#@ed up and is a huge masochist (is that the right term for someone who enjoys pain?) and gets off on the suffering of others, oooor has seriously fu#@ed up ways of working.
  
  
  Not hating cause if you believe in God. Good for you. If it makes you a better person, even better. But yea.... :I

  
  
  EXACTLY what I was thinking.
  
  Also, if God exists, why are there fossils and artifacts older than when the Earth supposedly started, hmmmmm? Why is there clear evidence for evolution? Why is there "proof" of the Big Bang?
  
  Yet there is no concrete proof that God exists, except for supposed "miracles" and the beliefs of people.
  
  Belief.
  
  No, I didn't read through the other 6 pages of material (with 40 posts per page), so if this has been said before, oh well.
  
  Don't even try to convince me that God exists. I'mma be an Astrophysicist, it's no use.
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-06 02:20

  Quote from Tibarn;29559:

  EXACTLY what I was thinking.
  
  Also, if God exists, why are there fossils and artifacts older than when the Earth supposedly started, hmmmmm? Why is there clear evidence for evolution? Why is there "proof" of the Big Bang?
  
  Yet there is no concrete proof that God exists, except for supposed "miracles" and the beliefs of people.
  
  Belief.
  
  No, I didn't read through the other 6 pages of material (with 40 posts per page), so if this has been said before, oh well.
  
  Don't even try to convince me that God exists. I'mma be an Astrophysicist, it's no use.

  
  
  I know it's rather futile to convince someone with such vehement non-beliefs to accept God, but here:
  

  Quote from Rime:

  Most scientists who have devised the very basic laws during the scientific revolution wanted to explain the world around them. As the most influential of them, Isaac Newton was not only a scientist but a devout believer in god. He followed the dictum that those who truly enjoyed the gifts god left behind would do his/her best to understand them. You see, God was his drive.

  
  Finally, a reason to quote myself.
• Tibarn wrote on 2010-05-06 02:22
  I disagree. I don't think MOST scientists had/have God as their drive. Perhaps Newton did, but that's a single example. Some of the earlier scientists probably did, but the number today is DRASTICALLY lower.
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-06 02:46
  I never said anything about numbers. I just wanted to disprove your assumption that the belief in science and the belief in god are mutually exclusive.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-06 02:48
  On the subject of sinning..
  I am not a sinner. I do not follow any religion, and so sin is not real to me. If sin does not exist for me, I cannot commit sins. I do not believe in sins (as a strictly religious term).
  
  And so I am not a sinner in my own eyes, perhaps only in the eyes of the religious.
• Tibarn wrote on 2010-05-06 02:48

  Quote from Rime;29589:

  I never said anything about numbers. I just wanted to disprove your assumption that the belief in science and the belief in god are mutually exclusive.

  
  
  I never said that they were.
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-06 02:52

  Quote from Tibarn;29599:

  I never said that they were.

  
  
  I got it from the part where you said it was "no use" since you were going to become an astrophysicist.
• Tibarn wrote on 2010-05-06 03:01

  Quote from Rime;29609:

  I got it from the part where you said it was "no use" since you were going to become an astrophysicist.

  
  
  I just meant that my beliefs are strong enough that I pursued a field studying the big bang and its effects, so trying to prove God to me is pointless.
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-06 03:04

  Quote from Tibarn;29559:

  Yet there is no concrete proof that God exists, except for supposed "miracles" and the beliefs of people.
  
  Belief.

  
  
  Futurama, go!
  Godfellas - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database
  
  Why is the main counterargument for atheism the fact that God does not show Himself to us and do everything for us. The example has already been raised, a good parent will not pamper his/her child because the child needs to learn and grow to become a better person. If God did everything for us, we would not learn and develop. If God showed Himself to us, we would expect everything of Him. We would not build the wonders we have today or discover the technology we did, because we would just sit by and expect Him to do everything for us.
  Why grow food? God will take care of me.
  Why research medicine? God will heal me.
  Do you think being a lazy, incapable, apathetic person is good? I don't. I wouldn't want me kids to grow up like that, and I'm sure God (if He exists) doesn't want humanity to steer down that path.
  
  You don't even have to be religious to see that logic. Yes, logic. Whether or not you believe in a god or gods, expecting them to pamper us is illogical.
  
  The ending quote from the episode
  God-like entity : "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
• Tibarn wrote on 2010-05-06 03:10

  Quote from Justified;29630:

  Futurama, go!
  Godfellas - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database
  
  Why is the main counterargument for atheism the fact that God does not show Himself to us and do everything for us. The example has already been raised, a good parent will not pamper his/her child because the child needs to learn and grow to become a better person. If God did everything for us, we would not learn and develop. If God showed Himself to us, we would expect everything of Him. We would not build the wonders we have today or discover the technology we did, because we would just sit by and expect Him to do everything for us.
  Why grow food? God will take care of me.
  Why research medicine? God will heal me.
  Do you think being a lazy, incapable, apathetic person is good? I don't. I wouldn't want me kids to grow up like that, and I'm sure God (if He exists) doesn't want humanity to steer down that path.
  
  You don't even have to be religious to see that logic. Yes, logic. Whether or not you believe in a god or gods, expecting them to pamper us is illogical.

  
  
  What about wars? What could WW2 possibly done to "make us better people"? The US vaporized the Japanese. Twice.
  
  I'm not saying that God, if he/she/it exists, should "pamper us," but stepping in when millions of people are being killed would be a good way to show his/her/its existence, rather than spontaneously performing small "miracles" on individual people.