"God" and Religion.

• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 20:27

  Quote from Juno;29156:

  This thread has been surprisingly not fail though I really think he premise that started it needed to be more well defined :x

  
  
  Arguing about god is fail :S No insulting anyone but at the end you have 2 groups: people that believe in god and people that don't and I doubt any side is gonna say :"You're right" 'cause for religous ppl it would be admiting that god doesn't exist and for non religous people admit that god does exist.
• Rebel wrote on 2010-05-05 20:32
  I'd add another group to that.
  There are people who believe in god, but don't follow organized religion.
  You don't have to be a (insert generic religion here) to believe in god.
  
  But yeah, basically this thread fails because, A)I refuse to discuss religion on a video game forum, I'm sure mabinogi is a sin somewhere.
  And B) There will never be an end to this, debating religion is nothing new, there is and never will be a solution, until everyone is dead, or aliens or something.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 20:35

  Quote from Adori;29161:

  I'd add another group to that.
  There are people who believe in god, but don't follow organized religion.
  You don't have to be a (insert generic religion here) to believe in god.
  
  But yeah, basically this thread fails because, A)I refuse to discuss religion on a video game forum, I'm sure mabinogi is a sin somewhere.
  And B) There will never be an end to this, debating religion is nothing new, there is and never will be a solution, until everyone is dead, or aliens or something.

  
  
  Looking at loli in game girls and thinking:"omg shes so cute/hawt" is a sin right? xD
• Juno wrote on 2010-05-05 20:53
  It's more of a discussion than a debate. The goal is simply to understand one another, not to convince each other we're wrong.
  
  I think it was Tony Campollo that said 'No one has ever become a Christian because they lost an argument' and I believe the reverse holds true as well.
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-05 21:09

  Quote from Adori;29161:

  I'd add another group to that.
  There are people who believe in god, but don't follow organized religion.
  You don't have to be a (insert generic religion here) to believe in god.
  

  
  I think it's an issue of disillusionment with the branches of Christianity, and their respective interpretations of the bible (unless you're worshipping another monotheistic god). Personally, if I believed in god, I'd probably fall into this category since don't trust reinterpretations of religions enough to affiliate myself with any single branch.
  

  Quote from Adori;29161:

  
  But yeah, basically this thread fails because, A)I refuse to discuss religion on a video game forum, I'm sure mabinogi is a sin somewhere.
  And B) There will never be an end to this, debating religion is nothing new, there is and never will be a solution, until everyone is dead, or aliens or something.

  
  
  A)The quality of the debate depends on its participants, and this forum has some relatively intelligent posters. Give us a change, whydontcha?
  B)If the answers were easy, there wouldn't be a debate. Religion makes excellent debates since, no matter how little or how much you prepare, there can be no winner.
• Rebel wrote on 2010-05-05 21:16

  Quote from Rime;29190:

  
  A)The quality of the debate depends on its participants, and this forum has some relatively intelligent posters. Give us a change, whydontcha?
  B)If the answers were easy, there wouldn't be a debate. Religion makes excellent debates since, no matter how little or how much you prepare, there can be no winner.

  
  
  I just don't see a point in arguing when, frankly I don't really care what other people think on this issue...as I know what works for me, and sooner or later it'll just frustrate one of us.
  .. Though, I fall in the same category as you, belief wise..
  Things such as 'belief' and 'faith' are 2 highly subjective, and relative words, what's the point in arguing things until we're all black and blue in the face about something I may never understand or you might never totally get.
  There is a reason they say 2 things you never talk about(don't remember the context, but it feels appropriate), are politics, and religion.
  I've gone along well enough making friends with people regardless their political or religious affiliation. I don't see why it should matter now.
• Time wrote on 2010-05-05 21:18

  Quote from Makisushi;29009:

  Yes, I tried Googling :3 But it all leads to the Bigbang theory with the large chunk of matter exploding. Still doesn't answer my question, where did the chunk of matter come from? Scientists haven't answered that one.. Like how our religious leaders haven't answered where God comes from. It comes down to a matter of choice which to believe. I chose mine lol
  
  And just because evolution is a general fact for a large group of people doesn't make it true, even with the evidence you show. Pretty much how like you guys do not believe in God even if a large group of people consider it as a general fact and show you evidence (like what some people here have tried to do).
  
  "evolves and changes to suit its environment". So, consider global warming, if the planet heats up and water level rises and oxygen depletes and stuff, would humans or other creatures evolve to survive blistering heat and breathe another element underwater? Then we shouldn't worry about global warming then~

  
  Yeah, this is kinda confusing, I mean theoretically its impossible to get something out of nothing, and there had to have been nothing before there was anything, this is pretty much impossible to debate...Or understand for that matter.
  
  Im still confused on what evidence there actually is that god exists, for evolution theres the fossil record, we can show small changes developing in the animal...
  
  Evolution takes a long long time, it takes generations to maybe get a small change, its all by chance, so no, we have to worry about these things
• Rebel wrote on 2010-05-05 21:19

  Quote from Timexpo;29199:

  Yeah, this is kinda confusing, I mean theoretically its impossible to get something out of nothing, and there had to have been nothing before there was anything, this is pretty much impossible to debate...Or understand for that matter.
  
  Im still confused on what evidence there actually is that god exists, for evolution theres the fossil record, we can show small changes developing in the animal...
  
  Evolution takes a long long time, it takes generations to maybe get a small change, its all by chance.

  
  Maybe god IS Evolution! :O
  lol
  Ok, adieu.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 21:21

  Quote from Timexpo;29199:

  
  Im still confused on what evidence there actually is that god exists, for evolution theres the fossil record, we can show small changes developing in the animal...
  
  Evolution takes a long long time, it takes generations to maybe get a small change, its all by chance, so no, we have to worry about these things

  
  
  That's why global warming is a serious problem! D: Imagine the cute lil penguin die because he doesn't get used to the warmer weather.
• Time wrote on 2010-05-05 21:23

  Quote from Fumy;29207:

  That's why global warming is a serious problem! D: Imagine the cute lil penguin die because he doesn't get used to the warmer weather.

  
  
  So...Lets drop this debate and go save the penguins? Lets do this:glasses:
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-05 21:23

  Quote from Timexpo;29199:

  Yeah, this is kinda confusing, I mean theoretically its impossible to get something out of nothing, and there had to have been nothing before there was anything, this is pretty much impossible to debate...Or understand for that matter.
  
  Im still confused on what evidence there actually is that god exists, for evolution theres the fossil record, we can show small changes developing in the animal...
  
  Evolution takes a long long time, it takes generations to maybe get a small change, its all by chance, so no, we have to worry about these things

  
  You need quantum physics to explain most models to the big-bang. When you start referring to things in quantum physics, everything stops obeying logic and starts obeying math @_@
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 21:25

  Quote from Rime;29213:

  You need quantum physics to explain most models to the big-bang. When you start referring things to quantum physics, everything stops obeying logic and starts obeying math @_@

  
  
  Eww hell no D: what has math to do with God?
  
  

  Quote from Timexpo;29212:

  So...Lets drop this debate and go save the penguins? Lets do this:glasses:

  
  
  You ish a hero :D Lets save em!
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-05 21:29

  Quote from Fumy;29218:

  Eww hell no D: what has math to do with God?
  

  
  Isaac Newton would backhand you. Math is the language in which we explain the mechanics of the world. Physics, which is the most fundamental branch in science used in higher levels like chemistry, is explained entirely in mathematical terms.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 21:30

  Quote from Rime;29224:

  Isaac Newton would backhand you. Math is the language in which we explain the mechanics of the world. Physics, which is the most fundamental branch in science, is explained entirely in mathematical terms.

  
  
  Science doesn't believe in god though
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-05 21:36

  Quote from Fumy;29227:

  Science doesn't believe in god though

  
  
  *Newton somehow rips a quantum tunnel from the past just to backhand you*
  Most scientists who have devised the very basic laws during the scientific revolution wanted to explain the world around them. As the most influential of them, Isaac Newton was not only a scientist but a devout believer in god. He followed the dictum that those who truly enjoyed the gifts god left behind would do his/her best to understand them. You see, God was his drive.