"God" and Religion.

• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 18:12
  God places me on this planet and I am instantly a sinner, so I must die.
  
  But he lets me live my life, claiming to give me free will while doing so. However, if I don't worship him, I go to hell.
  
  
  Honestly, how can you believe that? Do you not see how silly that is?
  
  

  People never notice anything.

  
  [RIGHT]Chapter 2, The Catcher in the Rye[/RIGHT]
  
  
  There's a difference between science and religion. Both of them are pretty far-fetched when you think about it. God created the Universe, the Universe is expanding, etc. But the difference is that you cannot step out of the box in religion, while in science you can.
  
  God does not let you see alternatives. No, of course not. God is the only answer to you.
  
  Science thinks about all the different possible ways to obtain a solution.
  
  Religion is too limited.
  
  
  You're automatically guilty from the day you are born, according to God. For the mistakes that one of your ancestors committed. How unfair.
  
  You are born and you are a sinner.
  
  That sounds like a children's horror book to me.
  
  
  
  I blame it on the Bible. You all follow its word too closely.
  
  I wonder, do you eat shellfish?
  
  Your God is a joke. He is selfish and cruel. He is not someone I would worship.
  
  You claim he is so great, but I don't see it.
  
  Great is being kind, fair, loving, compassionate. It is giving everyone a shot at equality, freedom and happiness. It is not striking down people who do not side with you or have different beliefs. It is being selfless and not asking for too much.
  
  The God you believe in condemns innocent people-- non-believers, homosexuals, newborn sinners who are free of any such guilt! He is not kind or loving. He is unfair.
  
  He is a monster.
  
  
  Thank goodness I've learned to live without him.
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-05-05 18:15
  Another thing I forgot to mention is how everything is so convenient for religion.
  "this and this doesn't add up or make sense"
  "that's okay, it's god."
  
  "how is this possible?"
  "it's god"
  
  "why did this happen?"
  "god said so"
  
  Get the idea? Religious teachings are like an annoyed parent answering a 5 year old kid who keeps saying "why?" after every answer you give him.
• Makisushi wrote on 2010-05-05 18:16
  I'm on the "I believe God exists" side here but I don't really think the Bible would be useful in a debate. Yes, it has been written with divine inspiration but I'm pretty sure it was not compiled and/or translated with divine inspiration ._. Not totally sure though, just a little sure.
  
  @Phunkie. Exactly, there are theories to explain how life came to be. And that's what they will remain to be, just theories. Until someone recreates life in a laboratory under a controlled environment :3
  
  All of this debate is based on theories actually, nothing on both side has been 100% proven to be true. Except for the fact that both atheists and theists follow and invisible rule called conscience and morals which is the basis of society~
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-05-05 18:19

  Quote from Makisushi;29023:

  I'm on the "I believe God exists" side here but I don't really think the Bible would be useful in a debate. Yes, it has been written with divine inspiration but I'm pretty sure it was not compiled and/or translated with divine inspiration ._. Not totally sure though, just a little sure.
  
  @Phunkie. Exactly, there are theories to explain how life came to be. And that's what they will remain to be, just theories. Until someone recreates life in a laboratory under a controlled environment :3
  
  All of this debate is based on theories actually, nothing on both side has been 100% proven to be true. Except for the fact that both atheists and theists follow and invisible rule called conscience and morals which is the basis of society~

  
  
  I see both science and religion as being incomplete. Some aspects of each might complement each other in some areas, such as developing new technologies or exploring the universe in search for answers relating to our origins and this so called god. Everything about human society is flawed, except for an innocent newborn baby, who will soon be corrupted.
• NewbieNub wrote on 2010-05-05 18:23

  Quote from Osayidan;29025:

  I see both science and religion as being incomplete. Some aspects of each might complement each other in some areas, such as developing new technologies or exploring the universe in search for answers relating to our origins and this so called god. Everything about human society is flawed, except for an innocent newborn baby, who will soon be corrupted.

  
  
  Yeah, with porn.
  
  Mom did it.
• Makisushi wrote on 2010-05-05 18:27

  Quote from Osayidan;29025:

  I see both science and religion as being incomplete. Some aspects of each might complement each other in some areas, such as developing new technologies or exploring the universe in search for answers relating to our origins and this so called god. Everything about human society is flawed, except for an innocent newborn baby, who will soon be corrupted.

  
  
  QFT
  
  That's why hybrid belief is better than believing just one side. Like what I said before, religion and science are not two different stories, they are just different books telling the same story from different points of view. Its better to read them both and believe what you want to believe
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 18:29

  Quote from Makisushi;29034:

  QFT
  
  That's why hybrid belief is better than believing just one side. Like what I said before, religion and science are not two different stories, they are just different books telling the same story from different points of view. Its better to read them both and believe what you want to believe

  
  
  
  Diffrence between Science and Religion:
  
  Without science you would still live in the nature and hunt animals naked with your bare hands.
  
  Without the fear from going to hell of religion the world would be probably be worse than it is.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 18:35

  Quote from Makisushi;29023:

  I'm on the "I believe God exists" side here but I don't really think the Bible would be useful in a debate. Yes, it has been written with divine inspiration but I'm pretty sure it was not compiled and/or translated with divine inspiration ._. Not totally sure though, just a little sure.
  
  @Phunkie. Exactly, there are theories to explain how life came to be. And that's what they will remain to be, just theories. Until someone recreates life in a laboratory under a controlled environment :3
  
  All of this debate is based on theories actually, nothing on both side has been 100% proven to be true. Except for the fact that both atheists and theists follow and invisible rule called conscience and morals which is the basis of society~

  
  
  Everything has to be a theory before it's really confirmed.
  
  Special Relativity, for example.
  
  However, the difference between theories and religion, is that theories can be tested. And if they don't work, you move on to testing the next one and the next one until you come up with a good result that supports your claims.
  
  Chances are we will never get close to recreating life in a controlled experiment. I may be wrong, but conditions on Earth now are not as they were during the time the first single-celled organisms arose. It would have to be a really good experiment.
  
  And again, I have to mention that we will never be able to know all of the mysteries of the Universe. Like, what's outside the visible Universe, for example?
  
  As an answer to everything, I just don't think that "God" is enough.
  
  But you are right with what you said and that is something religious people do not see. God is a theory. Just like the Big Bang, just like many other ideas in science.
  
  God is a theory! It is what you believe in, it is not the absolute answer.
  
  However, you will never be able to see that since religion does not allow for you to step outside of the box and consider alternatives.
• Tablo wrote on 2010-05-05 18:37
  Online keyboard battles will never work!
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 18:37

  Quote from Tablo;29043:

  Online keyboard battles will never work!

  
  
  Pvp is just an online keyboard battle too and pvp works fine
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 18:38
  Whoa, kinda off-topic, but do any of you believe in ghosts?
• Makisushi wrote on 2010-05-05 18:38

  Quote from Fumy;29037:

  Diffrence between Science and Religion:
  
  Without science you would still live in the nature and hunt animals naked with your bare hands.
  
  Without the fear from going to hell of religion the world would be probably be worse than it is.

  
  
  Exactly :3
  
  We agree that even though science and religion has their positives and negatives, and that they have their differences, Earth would be pretty darn hard to live on if one of them didn't exist and both are/were necessary to build society as it is now~
  
  

  Quote from Phunkie;29042:

  
  However, you will never be able to see that since religion does not allow for you to step outside of the box and consider alternatives.

  
  
  I told you, I'm not totally religious. Honestly, I fall asleep during mass a lot and I aced all my science subjects for my past three years in college. I believe in God and I also believe in Science. Its a hybrid belief which lets me have faith in God while still considering all of the alternatives that science has to offer. Thats why I don't believe that the bible is literal, that the earth was created in a literal 7 days and other stuff like that :3
• Tablo wrote on 2010-05-05 18:41

  Quote from Fumy;29044:

  Pvp is just an online keyboard battle too and pvp works fine

  
  
  lol...
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 18:41

  Quote from Makisushi;29009:

  "evolves and changes to suit its environment". So, consider global warming, if the planet heats up and water level rises and oxygen depletes and stuff, would humans or other creatures evolve to survive blistering heat and breathe another element underwater? Then we shouldn't worry about global warming then~

  
  
  The planet has been warming up too quickly for animals to adapt which could prove to be very detrimental.
  
  Plus, evolution takes place over long periods of time compared to the few decades in which global warming has taken place.
  
  We need to worry about it ASAP.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-05 18:45

  Quote from Makisushi;29047:

  Exactly :3
  
  We agree that even though science and religion has their positives and negatives, and that they have their differences, Earth would be pretty darn hard to live on if one of them didn't exist and both are/were necessary to build society as it is now~

  
  
  Religion isn't necessary anymore Atheists already let go of god and don't believe in god anymore and no WW3 didn't start because of that. Religious people just believe in him too much and for some of them the fear of hell is the only reason to stay religious and ATM it looks more like Religion is actually bad for the society just look at these Muslims that blow up themself... (No offence I'm not talking about muslims in general just the really crazy ones)