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Username wrote on 2011-01-08 17:24
Alright, im diverging into magic after alchemy, and i dont 'use' my current ego much at all except for Wm during exploration leveling. Im looking into a wand; as i have decided to go into the 'fire' element for the sake of it. I already finished my fire alchemy(till G13) i plan to eventually make a fire wand ego or something to go along with it.
However i do not know enough or much at all about 'Wand' spirit weapons. Could you guys help me out here?
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Archibald wrote on 2011-01-08 17:27
Honestly I'd say don't bother with it. With the new upgrades wand egos get less boost than upgraded ones. The is literally no reason outside of wanting a ego thats a wand to identify your a mage.
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Username wrote on 2011-01-08 17:28
I never 'intended' to sound like i wanted a wand to show that im a mage. I just would rather have an ego that has more of a purpose. Is that much to ask for?
Edit: And since i plan to go into magic shortly, i'd want to know more about wand egos. Saying their not worth it is not enough to convince me otherwise honestly.
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gentrone wrote on 2011-01-08 17:34
Str lvl directly affects an ego wand max damage. Then max damage is added to bolt spells, so you may get 40 extra damage per bolt if your ego is strong enough. An ego firewand would be a good choice because chaincasting with it has no mana penalty and extra damage stacks.
I believe this will be more noticeable with Elemental Masteries and Bolt Mastery. I don't think an overupgraded wand is stronger than an ego for chaincasting, since an r-type upgrade max damage % is around 21%... 21% of 120 is not 40. So there. This isn't true for Adv Magic though, and you'd be better off with an overupgraded one here, etc.
I will get flamed again because nobody here likes ego wands but whatever.
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Claudia wrote on 2011-01-08 17:42
Here's some advice: Don't do it.
Wand egos aren't really useful. :v
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Archibald wrote on 2011-01-08 17:58
Ok fine if you won't take a persons advice based on merit let me list out the reasons why.
1. Wand dura goes down 2x as fast since you can't bless it. Repairs cost more on ego than to fully repair at most expensive place. Or you are burning alot of NX if you actually use it.
2. Ego wands cannot be enchanted. Lizard Wizard Non ego wand = +10% crit 40 mana and 20 int. 1% more damage from the int
3. At level 50 a ego firewand is going to add about 110 max to your Firebolt. This does not include a fused bolt. and the damage is added AFTER the charges are stacked. The firewands with upgrades in g13 get 23% bonus to damage. Which is calculated on overall base damage :
5 charge ego firewand at all 50 = 600 + 110 = 710 max (before all the other % calculated in)
5 charge non Ego X firebolt max = 600 X 23% (24% for new int formula if you did lizard Wizard) = 738 (before all the other % calculated in)
fireball from ego firewand (r1 fireball) = 2000-3000 + 110 = 2110-3110
Fireball from non Ego wand (r1 fireball) = 2000-3000 X 23% = 2460 - 3690
4. It will cost you over 100 Million Gold in items to get the max damage stat that high on ego firewand.
So ego firewand is Outclassed in every way but 2. Crit potential (unless you did the upgrades for crit in which case ego loses again) and max dura.
Ego icewand is even worse due to the dura burning nature of chaincasting. And being far outclassed by crown wands for icespear.
Ego Thunder wand is merely for killing rats since you get stuck with chain cast and the max damage Per thunderbolt is again ouclassed by upgrades.
Ego combat wand is a joke. The damage is added only to the melee + str portion of the skill meaning at all 50 your doing additional 200 damage at most per blaze. Plus you can't poisen it!!
Proof enough?
Don't get me wrong I hope devcat does a ego renewal and changes all this. But don't try to swim up a waterfall, don't ego a wand.
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gentrone wrote on 2011-01-08 18:03
Quote from Archibald;281985:
3. At level 50 a ego firewand is going to add about 110 max to your Firebolt. This does not include a fused bolt. and the damage is added AFTER the charges are stacked. The firewands with upgrades in g13 get 23% bonus to damage. Which is calculated on overall base damage :
5 charge ego firewand at all 50 = 600 + 110 = 710 max (before all the other % calculated in)
5 charge non Ego X firebolt max = 600 X 23% (24% for new int formula if you did lizard Wizard) = 738 (before all the other % calculated in)
Are you 100% sure about this...?
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Omarukun wrote on 2011-01-08 18:05
Archibald... Hands down
And yeah Accelerator, take the advices they are giving you. Another kind of ego would be more useful
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Username wrote on 2011-01-08 18:11
Well, i honestly dont use melee. In terms of Archibald saying Lightning Wands for killing rats? Thats like my current ego only wming for exploring courcle fast.
My melee is pretty dull, so i would rather use somthing that i use the most. Oh thats right, devCat hasn't designed Cylinder Ego's, and probally wont. I was only asking about Wand Ego's. They feel and look more fun to use, and that im going into magic which will end up probally being what id going to use for a long time alongside Alchemy.
Bows are also like wands, in terms of just using them makes them lose dura fast.
I've tried every ego type BUT wand. I wanted to know more about it to see the upsides, but more or less this thread has only shown me the downsides, besides one post.
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Archibald wrote on 2011-01-08 18:17
My advice is don't get an ego (free blessings maybe). Unless you plan on feeding one to 50 str level pretty much all egos are outclassed by the new upgrade types, its not just wands, its just that wands are the least useful ego.
Cost of getting a perfect upgraded enchanted g13 wand will cost you 10's of MILLIONS less. But do what you wanna do.
I'm a mage first, alchemist second, ranger 3rd and melee 4th. I made a bow ego.
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-08 18:22
Honestly, I had always wanted a Wand ego. But go my surprise, they were just like all other egos in the end.. only worse. Later on, I decided to invest in an early upgraded wand. It seems kind of costly for repairs at first, but if you compare that to ego repairs/feeding prices, it's a lot less.
Not to mention you can easily upgrade a wand yourself. I know you're wanting to hear the pros of Ego wands, but honestly there aren't many when compared to upgraded wands.
From what I know, though, the pros include having chain casting without upgrading your wand (though it's a lot more difficult to obtain), ego attacks, and.. that's all I can think off of the top of my head.
Ego wands can also you more general base damage due to feeding, I guess. But I still prefer upgraded wands myself. It's just a bigger money saver, not to mention a time saver.
But the choice is yours.
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Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-08 18:36
Quote from Username;282005:
Well, i honestly dont use melee. In terms of Archibald saying Lightning Wands for killing rats? Thats like my current ego only wming for exploring courcle fast.
My melee is pretty dull, so i would rather use somthing that i use the most. Oh thats right, devCat hasn't designed Cylinder Ego's, and probally wont. I was only asking about Wand Ego's. They feel and look more fun to use, and that im going into magic which will end up probally being what id going to use for a long time alongside Alchemy.
Bows are also like wands, in terms of just using them makes them lose dura fast.
I've tried every ego type BUT wand. I wanted to know more about it to see the upsides, but more or less this thread has only shown me the downsides, besides one post.
Guy, if you're not going to good advice with stats to back it up from someone who knows what they're talking about and ego a wand anyway because that's what you had in mind, then don't bother posting a thread about it.
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Kazuni wrote on 2011-01-08 18:53
Quote from Sunureu13;282048:
Guy, if you're not going to good advice with stats to back it up from someone who knows what they're talking about and ego a wand anyway because that's what you had in mind, then don't bother posting a thread about it.
There's no need to be hostile to the OP.
If you had a problem with the thread, you could've left it, or if it was giving you a headache, PM the OP.
These kinds of posts aren't contributing to the thread at all.
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Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-08 19:22
Quote from Kazuni;282080:
There's no need to be hostile to the OP.
If you had a problem with the thread, you could've left it, or if it was giving you a headache, PM the OP.
These kinds of posts aren't contributing to the thread at all.
I'm not being hostile. I'm just pointing out that it seems like he's already made up his mind, and isn't taking into consideration expert advice.
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Kaeporo wrote on 2011-01-08 19:45
Quote from gentrone;281993:
Are you 100% sure about this...?
I'll confirm it. Spirit wand bonus damage is added after the chaincasting multiplier.