The Royal Tanker!

• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-04-28 21:25
  Oh. That saddens me greatly then. Q_Q
• Owen wrote on 2012-04-28 22:14
  You should note that Sharp Mind will be removed in G16s2
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-04-28 23:31
  I have already begun to mourn for the 12 hp.
• KizuUrei wrote on 2012-05-07 20:17

  Quote from Spaghedeity;850999:

  I have already begun to mourn for the 12 hp.

  
  
  speaking of g16s2 shouldn't you add protection from reforges to the chart? sence there will be "mysterius" reforge kits sold via the traid imp?
  i made an imaginary set that has 59 deff and 64 prot with heavy armore, useing reforges and other meens, i can post how i got that if you want.
  
  p.s. i can't remember if it was on the list but ranking lifedrain would be very beneficial for tankers.
• Transcendence wrote on 2012-05-10 02:24

  Quote from KizuUrei;858143:

  speaking of g16s2 shouldn't you add protection from reforges to the chart? sence there will be "mysterius" reforge kits sold via the traid imp?
  i made an imaginary set that has 59 deff and 64 prot with heavy armore, useing reforges and other meens, i can post how i got that if you want.
  
  p.s. i can't remember if it was on the list but ranking lifedrain would be very beneficial for tankers.

  
  
  I already put in Life Drain :>. And at least reforge-wise, I'm a little hesitant adding it in (because it's very variable how many reforges you'll need to roll Protection and then there's also the variable of HOW MUCH protection).
• Soushi wrote on 2012-05-11 00:49

  Quote from Transcendence;859885:

  I already put in Life Drain :>. And at least reforge-wise, I'm a little hesitant adding it in (because it's very variable how many reforges you'll need to roll Protection and then there's also the variable of HOW MUCH protection).

  
  
  Well, protection reforge is capped at like 4 so you can only get a maximum protection boost of 4 from all your gear. It's not that hard to spam some things for prot reforge... accessories are incredibly easy and cheap to get it on, and that's already 50% of the potential reforge boost between the two of them (1 on each).
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-11 02:06

  Quote from Soushi;860793:

  Well, protection reforge is capped at like 4 so you can only get a maximum protection boost of 4 from all your gear. It's not that hard to spam some things for prot reforge... accessories are incredibly easy and cheap to get it on, and that's already 50% of the potential reforge boost between the two of them (1 on each).

  
  
  I'd kinda like a source saying that you can't go over 4 protection added from reforges. And proof of this. o-o
• Soushi wrote on 2012-05-11 02:51

  Quote from Spaghedeity;860841:

  I'd kinda like a source saying that you can't go over 4 protection added from reforges. And proof of this. o-o

  
  
  

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  idk, maybe that the maximum level for that reforge is 4? Same reason you can't have Lv 40 of a reforge by getting Lv 20 in two different equipment.
  
  Besides, in terms of tanking... Mana Shield reforge is retardedly broken and way more effective than protection reforge anyway.
• Transcendence wrote on 2012-05-11 05:09
  Updated with reforges!
• Tropacat wrote on 2012-05-11 14:42
  In g16s2 Melody Shock adds a total of 22 HP. :o
  And Song of Endurance adds Def/Prot, you can play this on yourself then switch to your main weapon while the effects linger.
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-11 16:15
  Fairly sure there isnt' some kind of total reforge cap for stat boost ones, Dex.
• Soushi wrote on 2012-05-11 17:16

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  Fairly sure there isnt' some kind of total reforge cap for stat boost ones, Dex.

  
  
  Then why not go and do tests to prove it? If you claim that they work differently from the norm, then you should be able to show how they do so.
  
  If they really do work differently, then that would make them more helpful. However, from all information available there is no evidence of a reforge being able to go past its maximum level, even if you wear different items that add up to a level higher than the cap. If there are exceptions to this, then you should be able to show how or why you think that is the case at least, instead of simply stating so.
• KizuUrei wrote on 2012-05-11 20:56

  Quote from Soushi;861204:

  Then why not go and do tests to prove it? If you claim that they work differently from the norm, then you should be able to show how they do so.
  
  If they really do work differently, then that would make them more helpful. However, from all information available there is no evidence of a reforge being able to go past its maximum level, even if you wear different items that add up to a level higher than the cap. If there are exceptions to this, then you should be able to show how or why you think that is the case at least, instead of simply stating so.

  
  
  personaly i think you're reading something wrong, i've never herd of any reforges having a total cap, only a cap for each type of equiptment, that picture you brought up as "proof" only showed caps per equiptment type(at least one of the caps was 3 lasst time i checked too). most reforges are kept in check by limited amount of equiptment they can be reforged on, and in the case of elemental reforges they lowerd the max level for one handed wepons, why would they do that if there is a total max?
  
  personaly i think you're the one who needs to show proof.
  
  
  @whoever sugested the holy fire stuff, i don't recomend it for a few resons: first, they're a little annoying to get(wich wouldn't matter if my next point wasn't true), second i'm pretty sure they disapaer when you die just like HW, thirdly if i'm not mistaken you can't bless an item that has a holy flame on it(actualy you can but it removes the holy flame), and lastly it makes item dura go down faster than normal, like the oposite of HW. the temporaryness, as well as dura loss make it something that i, at least, wouldn't bother with.
  
  @ the "OP" if you're going full tanker, i'd recomend refind for the protection, and for shields i'd recomend the avon with the defence and artisan upgrades(as well as the jem deffence upgrade) this takes you're passives down a bit but definatly worth it, especialy looking forword to the new combat system where pd's don't really meen much. oh and i noticed you didn't have the master of windguard as an option for titles, it's not the one i'd go for sence barriers gives more protection, but it gives bolth deffence and protection wich i think somone might like -shrugs-
  -notices my wall of text growing x.x;;-
  last thing you should add in the new armore coming in sence it has much more base deffence and protection than normal armor.
• Spaghedeity wrote on 2012-05-11 20:57
  Then find enough high level reforges to actually reach the cap. :P I imagine you have access to way more reforged stuff than I do. I am simple a poor italian cobbler. You'd be much better doing the tests than I am. :3
• Soushi wrote on 2012-05-11 21:13

  Quote from KizuUrei;861383:

  personaly i think you're reading something wrong, i've never herd of any reforges having a total cap, only a cap for each type of equiptment, that picture you brought up as "proof" only showed caps per equiptment type(at least one of the caps was 3 lasst time i checked too). most reforges are kept in check by limited amount of equiptment they can be reforged on, and in the case of elemental reforges they lowerd the max level for one handed wepons, why would they do that if there is a total max?
  
  personaly i think you're the one who needs to show proof.
  
  
  @whoever sugested the holy fire stuff, i don't recomend it for a few resons: first, they're a little annoying to get(wich wouldn't matter if my next point wasn't true), second i'm pretty sure they disapaer when you die just like HW, thirdly if i'm not mistaken you can't bless an item that has a holy flame on it(actualy you can but it removes the holy flame), and lastly it makes item dura go down faster than normal, like the oposite of HW. the temporaryness, as well as dura loss make it something that i, at least, wouldn't bother with.

  
  
  I would imagine that experience with adv/creidne toolkits during the time that reforges were in testing would be good enough, as well as having a close friend who worked to translate all of the information and resources about reforges that we could not understand would count for something... but oh well, I suppose that's really nothing vs the mighty infallible knowledge that requires no practical experience of spaghetti-sama so I'll just drop it :3