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Adelynn wrote on 2011-01-10 23:31
Birth control. Religious people would argue, and I say you either let them have their birth control or watch them go to the abortion clinic. If you want to make love to your partner without worrying about a baby, birth control plz. Otherwise keep your legs closed. I'm okay with abortion in certain cases. Stupidity isn't a good reason for people to get an abortion.
EDIT: In response to the some of them are being responsible thing:
Pretty sure not all of them can get pregnant while their partner is wearing a condom. I'm sure a good chunk of them weren't, unfortunately, being responsible. >_>; I know people like this. x.e
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Athde wrote on 2011-01-10 23:32
Quote from Lan;285383:
That's so Raven
Tia and Tamera
The Cosby Show
And others.
Even still compare how old those are to newer shows.
Oh and there's a show called Southland or something coming on soon so:
RoyalPains
Southland.
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Lan wrote on 2011-01-10 23:33
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Even still compare how old those are to newer shows.
Oh and there's a show called Southland or something coming on soon so:
RoyalPains
Southland.
Don't really watch TV so I wouldn't know.
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Athde wrote on 2011-01-10 23:36
Same but when I do it's hard for me to find (not that I try) any shows that *don't* have a white girl as main heroine. I mean unless you watch BET or something.... But that's a given... It sounds bad either way....
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-10 23:36
Quote from Adelynn;285388:
Birth control. Religious people would argue, and I say you either let them have their birth control or watch them go to the abortion clinic. If you want to make love to your partner without worrying about a baby, birth control plz. Otherwise keep your legs closed. I'm okay with abortion in certain cases. Stupidity isn't a good reason for people to get an abortion.
EDIT: In response to the some of them are being responsible thing:
Pretty sure not all of them can get pregnant while their partner is wearing a condom. I'm sure a good chunk of them weren't, unfortunately, being responsible. >_>; I know people like this. x.e
Or whorish-ness. D;
Birth control is also very easy to get.
Heck, I was almost offered it once due to being confused for my Sister, LOL.
Honestly I don't know why some women even HAVE to have an abortion (minus the obvious reasons). There is so much stuff in this world to prevent it :/ but if someone is stupid enough to let it happen to them and just doesn't want the responsibility, I think it's good to deny them abortion.
Women who do everything they can to prevent it (condoms, those uva-ring things?, birth control, etc) and still get pregnant but know they can't take care of a child ANNNNNDDDD can't afford still being pregnant, then yes, I agree.
Or in the case of rape.
Otherwise; TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. 8|
That goes for the Dads, too.
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Zack wrote on 2011-01-10 23:38
Quote from Moppy;285386:
That is, of course, if you can call it a "baby."
/possible life debate activated
Isn't considered alive until they take their first breath apparently. So it technically isn't.
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Moppy wrote on 2011-01-10 23:39
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Isn't considered alive until they take their first breath apparently. So it technically isn't.
Depends on who you ask.
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-10 23:39
Imo.. anything that has a heartbeat = alive. :/
Otherwise everytime I stop breathing, I'm dead. -rolls eyes-
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Athde wrote on 2011-01-10 23:43
I'm okay with abortion if, let's say the girl was raped or something. Other than that I don't see any good reason to let them abort.
Though then I also begin to think about how the woman would treat a baby she doesn't even want and/or can't provide for. Either way I guess it depends on which you see as a greater evil.
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Meikeru wrote on 2011-01-11 01:05
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Granted. Though it doesn't change the fact that the reasons are more so stereotypical than fact.
White Girls:
Models
Actors
Meteorologists
Idols
etc.
That's basically how they are viewed in other parts of the world. There are of course the other 99.99~% that are normal, but you never hear about them now do you.
Besides name five tv shows where the lead actress isn't white and you get a cookie.
RoyalPains
...
That's as far as ive gotten sadly...
Any asian soap. I'll have my cookie now.
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paladin wrote on 2011-01-11 01:09
Abortion is more of those if you choose or not kinda things
Id rather see soul be stoped before they can feel anything then have to suffer the trails of living without any parent there
If its rape or the parent knows they cant give the child a good life am for abortion
Its nobodies right to force ideals on other people
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Ithiliel wrote on 2011-01-11 01:23
You're correct on your statement about forcing ideals. However in my opinion, if a woman is going to consent to have sex then she should know all the possibilities that can come with the intercourse. This includes a baby. Honestly if a woman isn't ready for a baby, or even the possibility of a baby they should take extreme precaution when it comes to sex. Regardless of what some people may think, sex isn't some easy thing to get into. Yes the act of sex itself is easy but it seems to me that many people don't look at everything that surrounds the act of sex besides the pleasure aspect. I know accidents can happen but if you're going to go through with the act, deal with the consequences instead of aborting and acting like it never happened and then turning around and doing the exact same thing all over again.
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Mama wrote on 2011-01-11 01:33
I can easily say that having legalized abortion for all means is more beneficial than not. Though if i do hear any woman using it as a normal form of contraception, I will literally smack dat ho upside the head. Same for guys of course. That's just a moral and common sense standpoint.
You take a risk every time you have sex, protection or not. If you don't notice the condom breaking, or don't 'pull out' in time, what the hell are you going to do? Not to mention people improperly using contraception, which increases the failure rate dramatically, which is more common than you think.
Carrying a baby to term is no walk in the park either. hormones will really interfere with your life, not to mention a massive baby bump which tires you out if you're standing for more than several minutes. not to mention morning sickness.. having to eat a lot more.. there's so much you need to do to ensure the baby comes out healthy without rendering the mother sick. And I do not trust young people to understand the weight of that responsibility.
Think about it. Abortion becomes illegal, all those poor black women, hispanics, white etc will get pregnant. And guess what, most of them aren't even prepared. You know what happens to those children? they don't go up for adoption - they become kids in a misfit family where the environment is more suited to raising delinquents than otherwise, with divorced parents, foster homes etc. Crime rates literally dropped over 50% after abortion was legalized, when the would-be aborted birth cohort would have been at the age where they were most viable to commit crimes. Take a bit of time to read the Roe vs. Wade case if you are so inclined, or the papers of Donohue and Levitt. I had to do a research paper on the link between abortion and criminality.
Instead of satisfying your moral standards, think of the to-be children's lives for god's sake, and the lives of the mothers. They will seriously ruin lives.
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-11 01:38
Quote from Mama;285546:
I can easily say that having legalized abortion for all means is more beneficial than not. Though if i do hear any woman using it as a normal form of contraception, I will literally smack dat ho upside the head. Same for guys of course. That's just a moral and common sense standpoint.
You take a risk every time you have sex, protection or not. If you don't notice the condom breaking, or don't 'pull out' in time, what the hell are you going to do? Not to mention people improperly using contraception, which increases the failure rate dramatically, which is more common than you think.
Carrying a baby to term is no walk in the park either. hormones will really interfere with your life, not to mention a massive baby bump which tires you out if you're standing for more than several minutes. not to mention morning sickness.. having to eat a lot more.. there's so much you need to do to ensure the baby comes out healthy without rendering the mother sick. And I do not trust young people to understand the weight of that responsibility.
Think about it. Abortion becomes illegal, all those poor black women, hispanics, white etc will get pregnant. And guess what, most of them aren't even prepared. You know what happens to those children? they don't go up for adoption - they become kids in a misfit family where the environment is more suited to raising delinquents than otherwise, with divorced parents, foster homes etc. Crime rates literally dropped over 50% after abortion was legalized, when the would-be aborted birth cohort would have been at the age where they were most viable to commit crimes. Take a bit of time to read the Roe vs. Wade case if you are so inclined, or the papers of Donohue and Levitt. I had to do a research paper on the link between abortion and criminality.
Instead of satisfying your moral standards, think of the to-be children's lives for god's sake, and the lives of the mothers. They will seriously ruin lives.
No one (or at-least me/anyone else I can think of) is trying to make it an issue of morals. To me, it is only immoral when people use it as a quick way out of pregnancy due to their own stupidity.
In the case of women who really have no other way, it's different. Sure, the life of another human being, not to mention a child that doesn't even have a say in it's own life, is no small matter. But it isn't really an issue for morals.
Or at-least, it shouldn't be.
For in itself the sin of making a woman carry a child and ruin her AND the childs life is, in itself, immoral.
..But I'm going to stop now. I feel like a preacher. >_>
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paladin wrote on 2011-01-11 01:41
Quote from Mama;285546:
I can easily say that having legalized abortion for all means is more beneficial than not. Though if i do hear any woman using it as a normal form of contraception, I will literally smack dat ho upside the head. Same for guys of course. That's just a moral and common sense standpoint.
You take a risk every time you have sex, protection or not. If you don't notice the condom breaking, or don't 'pull out' in time, what the hell are you going to do? Not to mention people improperly using contraception, which increases the failure rate dramatically, which is more common than you think.
Carrying a baby to term is no walk in the park either. hormones will really interfere with your life, not to mention a massive baby bump which tires you out if you're standing for more than several minutes. not to mention morning sickness.. having to eat a lot more.. there's so much you need to do to ensure the baby comes out healthy without rendering the mother sick. And I do not trust young people to understand the weight of that responsibility.
Think about it. Abortion becomes illegal, all those poor black women, hispanics, white etc will get pregnant. And guess what, most of them aren't even prepared. You know what happens to those children? they don't go up for adoption - they become kids in a misfit family where the environment is more suited to raising delinquents than otherwise, with divorced parents, foster homes etc. Crime rates literally dropped over 50% after abortion was legalized, when the would-be aborted birth cohort would have been at the age where they were most viable to commit crimes. Take a bit of time to read the Roe vs. Wade case if you are so inclined, or the papers of Donohue and Levitt. I had to do a research paper on the link between abortion and criminality.
Instead of satisfying your moral standards, think of the to-be children's lives for god's sake, and the lives of the mothers. They will seriously ruin lives.
Those two items are some of the main bumping roads for people in this issue
It may not be morally right but its like saying if you could give the baby no chance to feel anything or the chance to feel nothing but pain and suffering?
Some will opt for the latter as it comfirms to morals of birth and such
Some will opt for the former as its more merciful