Alchemy vs Magic?

• Zid wrote on 2011-01-17 01:40

  Quote from Kenero;292598:

  I am sick of mages trying to say alchemist can't kill as fast as them and belittle alchemist. I try my best to support my mage friends by saying the mage is strong and they will enjoy it, but on the other hand mages try to belittle the alchemist. Can magic freeze enemies while lowering defense? Can magic put up a barrier that can damage the banshee. Or ability to steal life that bypasses prot, def and pd? Can they cast rain to help in production. Or can magic cast a spell that can stun all enemies around you with damage that ignores prot and def while stunning certain heavy stander enemies or summon a creature with good physical damage when magic is not enough.

  
  
  No means of disrespect, but I've seen the opposite hold true too. Golems, Life Drain... heck, even Water Cannon being used as ways of being superior to Mages.
  
  It's not just damage. Shock? I really can't think of a Magic skill that can match Shock's utility.
  
  

  Quote from Kenero;292598:

  There's more to alchemist than being the fastest to finish. And quite personally I am tired of mages heralding and celebrating each time an alchemist gets nerfed, yet when mages get nerf, I personally feel bad for them yet glad at end game, they get stronger than what was lost.

  
  
  There's no nerf to Alchemists, as far as I can tell. I never even thought Alchemists needed nerfs anyway. That is, if I ignore the Golem skill.
  
  Come G13, there's actually going to be a real point of comparison between a pure Mage and a pure Alchemist.
• Kenero wrote on 2011-01-17 02:17

  Quote from Zid;292985:

  No means of disrespect, but I've seen the opposite hold true too. Golems, Life Drain... heck, even Water Cannon being used as ways of being superior to Mages.
  
  It's not just damage. Shock? I really can't think of a Magic skill that can match Shock's utility.
  
  
  
  There's no nerf to Alchemists, as far as I can tell. I never even thought Alchemists needed nerfs anyway. That is, if I ignore the Golem skill.
  
  Come G13, there's actually going to be a real point of comparison between a pure Mage and a pure Alchemist.

  
  
  I don't really understand why Alchemist and Mages both argue the fench which one is superior. They both have their ups and downs. I don't often get into magic vs. alchemy, however it's really hard to take a one-sided argument from numerous mages that rant about alchemy in-game, for me personally at least, while I just smile and just laugh it off and say "well, your magic is awesome, I enjoy it." Even more so that they can say it to my face, an alchemist, so easily for the past few months gets irritating.
  
  So if I say anything mean or sound off aggressive, I apologize. It isn't what I want to come off. Just a few months of pent up tongue in cheek as I try not to get into alchemy vs. magic argument, yet my mage friends seems to want to push that argument unto me all the time, while I just sit back and just go "yea, yea, cool. Magic is awesome", since once I talk how alchemy can be comparative to magic, they get all mad and I rather not spend time arguing on some people who are too biased to even see the both of good sides, which I honestly try and accept the good points of magic.
• Tatsigi wrote on 2011-01-17 02:23

  Quote from Kenero;293020:

  I don't really understand why Alchemist and Mages both argue the fench which one is superior. They both have their ups and downs. I don't often get into magic vs. alchemy, however it's really hard to take a one-sided argument from numerous mages that rant about alchemy in-game, for me personally at least, while I just smile and just laugh it off and say "well, your magic is awesome, I enjoy it." Even more so that they can say it to my face, an alchemist, so easily for the past few months gets irritating.
  
  So if I say anything mean or sound off aggressive, I apologize. It isn't what I want to come off. Just a few months of pent up tongue in cheek as I try not to get into alchemy vs. magic argument, yet my mage friends seems to want to push that argument unto me all the time, while I just sit back and just go "yea, yea, cool. Magic is awesome", since once I talk how alchemy can be comparative to magic, they get all mad and I rather not spend time arguing on some people who are too biased to even see the both of good sides, which I honestly try and accept the good points of magic.

  
  
  I'm a mage and while i think alchemy is semi overpowered, I would never put it down. Personally i think a Mage and Alchemist form a great team. Golem and Adv Magic dealing huge damage while the mage and alchemist being protected by barrier spikes. Or simply letting the other classes handle things while the mage goes party heal (a mage using that skill with the title is godly). Or frozen blasting a boss or group of enemies to the adv magic hits more damage. Or using Flamer+Blaze. So ya..I don't really think its fair to compare to the two skillsets...
• Alice wrote on 2011-01-17 02:44
  Alchemy's strength for me has been in it's versatility and ability to reinforce other skills, as both a mage and an alchemist\ranger, as of now alchemy is far more practical an option for me.
  
  Damage-wise even without enchants my flameburst can often defeat a wight in just two~three full charges. In G13 alchemy can oneshot even Alby Adv. monsters with water-cannon without needing a critical. The potential damage and growth of alchemy is pretty amazing even if it's not the highest DPS.
  
  The greatest strength of alchemy I can see though is it's versatility, you can switch between alchemy and other skill sets without penalty and combine them together with ease. There's a lot of room for creativity while maintaining very fluid and effective combat. It opens many support and offensive options with very little cost and restriction.
  
  Edit:
  Even without tapping into other skill sets alchemy is extremely formidable by itself, even without tapping into golemwtfhax. I'm not very developed yet as an alchemist but I have friends that are and they are at no disadvantage in even Peaca int. as alchemists.
• gentrone wrote on 2011-01-17 02:57

  Quote from Kenero;293020:

  I don't really understand why Alchemist and Mages both argue the fench which one is superior. They both have their ups and downs. I don't often get into magic vs. alchemy, however it's really hard to take a one-sided argument from numerous mages that rant about alchemy in-game, for me personally at least, while I just smile and just laugh it off and say "well, your magic is awesome, I enjoy it." Even more so that they can say it to my face, an alchemist, so easily for the past few months gets irritating.
  
  So if I say anything mean or sound off aggressive, I apologize. It isn't what I want to come off. Just a few months of pent up tongue in cheek as I try not to get into alchemy vs. magic argument, yet my mage friends seems to want to push that argument unto me all the time, while I just sit back and just go "yea, yea, cool. Magic is awesome", since once I talk how alchemy can be comparative to magic, they get all mad and I rather not spend time arguing on some people who are too biased to even see the both of good sides, which I honestly try and accept the good points of magic.

  
  
  Well I'm not like that at all xD