Mod vs hacks?

• Claudia wrote on 2011-01-17 21:21

  Quote from Xemnas;294048:

  I don't know if this applies but I occasionally see modders talking about mods in-game and caught two a while back talking about duplicating any items with the mailbox and a certain mod. If that's not gamebreaking I don't know what is.

  
  
  Do you have proof that they were doing such a thing?
  Because AFAIK there's no public mod that allows such a thing, MAYBE a private one.
• Fracture wrote on 2011-01-17 21:24
  Mods would not allow duplication. There's no way to do that by modifying client files. I can guarantee that.
• Claudia wrote on 2011-01-17 21:25

  Quote from Fracture;294055:

  Mods would not allow duplication. There's no way to do that by modifying client files. I can guarantee that.

  
  
  Exactly what I was thinking. >_>
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-01-17 21:32
  I do have proof but unfortunately it is only my word, and that doesn't have much value in, or out of these forums.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-17 21:39

  Quote from Fracture;294045:

  ...Were you going somewhere with this?

  
  
  Saying that XML files can be indeed "gamebreaking" instead of "harmless" client sided mannerisms.
  
  Oh and mods to derandomize certain things but i am not having that conversation again.
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-17 21:57

  Quote from Aubog007;294041:

  There's an XML one out that allows uncap of auto production and another one that allows refining to be 20x faster (no making 1 at a time. can make all instantly)

  
  
  1st time i hear about it :I
  I guess xml edit have the same backdoor to nasty stuff like how dll edits can have useful stuff like CP viewer or party to housing and stuff like 1 charge fbs, etc
  
  edit: oh yea wasn't g13 supposed to bring some epic bot/mod protection?
• Zack wrote on 2011-01-17 22:03
  Bot/Mod. A hack is changing the server sided game play.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-17 22:18

  Quote from Jovo;293883:

  So you're justifying ccfb then, because people would do that for having fun as well? I'm just curious on how far your notion would extend in that "having fun" category.
  
  EDIT: I believe what I'm trying to get at is that there's definitely advantages in using macros/mods/hack/whatever you call it and it doesn't always boil down to having fun but rather taking the advantages of the said macros/mods/hack/whatever you call it.
  
  This isn't about things we do in game, but as one's personality and nature as a whole. Just because one takes the shortcut everytime in game doesn't make me incline to believe that they would be taking the hardest path in real life.

  
  
  I'm assuming "ccfb" is some sort of acronym for the one charge/single charge fireball .dll edit? If so, I played around with it some. One to see how much a difference it made in ciar/adv (was fun, but would quickly make the dungeon boring) and for some lolz on some kiwis. I'm certain it could be abused and was abused by some in gamebreaking ways; I was of the opinion back then that fireball was pretty useless, and bumping up its power in the direcrion of ocfb would make it useful (note, that direction. Not completely to that level of power). I was surprised to find out that clear times using ocfb were still not as fast as melee/range finishes. The relative safety and low dura/mp use was certainly powerful though.
  
  Where would I draw the line? I think the practice of combining that .dll edit with packet editing to be able to target the river hobgoblins from a mana tunnel is certainly over the line. I think continued grinding of the best exp location of the time (ciar/adv) would certainly end up giving some players more wealth and ap than they otherwise would have. But in the end, who really cares? I have more wealth and ap than someone who started last week. Having wealth and ap is not something that is equall in this game, and no amount of skill or dedication will really change that; the players at the top have a huge advantage, legit or not.
  
  Play to have fun. If that means making your character look like a gundam, or playing around with a badly programmed portion of the client to blow stuff up for awhile (til it gets fixed, which happend) so be it. In the big picture of things, the game goes on. Players will still have fun their own way, be it sitting in dunbarton using mabi as a chatroom, playing fashionogi, or going for end-game damage sets and leet skill. Playing "legit" is just another decision among a myriad of others. It doesn't make you any better or worse, it just makes you you.
  
  

  Quote from Jovo;293883:

  Yes, I agree with your blurb about morals. However, I never said about looking down upon others. Others might. I think (mostly) everyone has been civil in this thread, so I can't really see where you got this "look down upon" notion.

  
  
  

  Quote from TinyMo;293684:

  I don't think you should hate on someone for having a higher moral code than you. Or a lower one for that matter. :what:
  
  Anyway, I see it as cheating but it doesn't really get you anywhere. I have a friend who uses it but he's still my friend. Artifact hunting in the swamp is faster than fossils I think even with a macro, and the lava cat robe is still rare.

  
  
  In reference to that.
• Oizen wrote on 2011-01-17 23:35
  My definitions
  Mod- An edit to the look of somthing to make it look better, has no real effect on gameplay except for lag
  Hack- An edit that gives you an unfair advantage compared to other users.
  
  Both are however illegal for NA versions of games.
• Zid wrote on 2011-01-17 23:41

  Quote from Chromatic;294107:

  1st time i hear about it :I

  
  
  It's been going around since G11, when it was implemented. Very easy .xml edit, and it's almost unnoticeable to most casual modders unless they either look into the files or try it out in-game.
• BizarreJuju wrote on 2011-01-18 02:08
  If Nexon gave us an option to increase our camera zoom ( hard when giant takes up screen space) and CP reading, ill be happy :[
• Crimmy wrote on 2011-01-18 07:50
  Good for you, shame on you, that's about as much thought as I put into hacking, modding, whatever you wanna call it. I used mods a while back and it helped reduced my horrendous lag but it ended up ruining my fun with the game. I am now currently modless and a bit laggy as usual but I enjoy the game again. If it lets you enjoy the game more and doesn't interfere with anyone else's experience, let it be. I choose not to mod because I just don't care for them but I'm not going to ride around on my high-horse and act like I have higher moral standards.
  
  I mean, I'd understand if someone would get upset about such things if the game was competitive but Mabi is not a competitive game. What does it matter to you if someone doesn't waste a few hours of their life by using a fossil macro? What does it matter if said person doesn't waste 10 minutes running into pointless dead-ends? What does it matter?
  
  Although I'll be the first to admit I despise anybody river glitching and screwing with my mobs. That's an obvious unfair advantage and directly interferes with my experience. Shame on them for being so lame.
  
  Then I forget about it 10 minutes later and CC to another channel.
• Jando wrote on 2011-01-18 08:19
  ^Raft glitchers can be ignored if you just get 6.1 stars, die and repeat till happy.
  
  I've used Mods for to long to get rid of them and during the time that they were unusable Mab felt like a different game. Mab's default zoom make me feel claustrophobic, Mab's text lags up a storm especially when I press T or L for pet and chat log. House/Party Swap is pretty much needed, especially when I around carrying 15+ Coupons. I would usually forget to get another Flier and probably end up removing it before using it. Talk to unequip ego also helps when for some reason I don't have it equipped and I want to feed it.
  
  The only Mod's that come with the general ones the I consider breaking is infinite range with Fireball and lb cooldown.
  
  Mods that I also find helpful is the infinite party sign, (For srsly, who wants to babysit the computer?), Exact time for clock (helps for 5:59am transing), True Durability (I hate it when something is repair to 10010, but with this I can just go hit something and repair to 11000), Oh and Ego portrait mods so I can look at my sexy ego which is often since I abuse her.
  
  

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  I don't really see why people are anal about Mods. Non game breakings ones are only there to help your gameplay and its not like its not available to you so why be anal? Its just game, QQ less, PEW PEW more. And when living in Australia mods help so much with lag reduction, like for reals, even with a 6gb ram laptop with i7 core and 1gb dedicated to gaming I still lag modless.
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-18 11:27

  Quote from Jando;294974:

  I don't really see why people are anal about Mods. Non game breakings ones are only there to help your gameplay and its not like its not available to you so why be anal? Its just game, QQ less, PEW PEW more. And when living in Australia mods help so much with lag reduction, like for reals, even with a 6gb ram laptop with i7 core and 1gb dedicated to gaming I still lag modless.

  
  
  Imo, its whats called backseat moderation
  For some people, mods are like cannabis. Some people accept it as a medicine and as a light drug, others see it as the worst sin on earth. And most of the times only the people that see it in a light way is informed about it
  
  During the music playing even i remember some people making comments about the GM CPs. They cared? no. Seriously, if GMs see screenshots with modded characters, at least modded font all the time and don't give a damn about it. Why would i?
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-01-18 12:26
  Modders are going to mod. I don't approve of mods but some mods may as well be considered hacks.
  
  In the end, modders are no different than hackers.
  
  why?
  
  They both violate the ToS that Nexon laid out.
  
  Also, Glitchers are just as bad if not worse than modders and hackers. They too violate the ToS and need to be punished. It quite clearly says that you are not to abuse flaws in the game that are unintended by the developers.