Afk's Notes #2- DK/ Pally Difference

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Habskii wrote on 2011-04-02 18:16

Let me post my actual build here

5 Grasp
5 Divine Punishment
5 Potential
1 petrification
3 fatigue
3 hp
3 def
(and then fill fatigue, hp and def in that order until it's all maxed)
-petrification needs atleast 15 points used before u can put any points to it
-potential needs 10
-fatigue needs 5
-divine needs 10
In any case i may switch divine punishment with hp instead

Quote from Gotejjeken;393869:
So...first grasp is useless, but the multi-target is not? I fail to see the logic here. Besides, as was pointed out...Divine Punishment requires 25 points before allocation, so your debate stance really has no place right now.

you mean salvation needs 25...
Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-04-02 18:43

Yeah, you are right. Thus, my original build stand then.
Masterdo wrote on 2011-04-02 21:29

Quote from Gotejjeken;393869:
So...first grasp is useless, but the multi-target is not? I fail to see the logic here. Besides, as was pointed out...Divine Punishment requires 25 points before allocation, so your debate stance really has no place right now.

That's because the base damage is not worth it. What you use the missiles for is to hit multiple adds targets to give them either the slow or the petrify, not for the damage. So the multiple target and the debuff is worth it, while the grasp is not. I'd go with increased damage on the missiles themselves only after the 25 points skills, so far away basically.
ZandarEagle wrote on 2011-04-02 21:55

Is it possible to max all the skills out? If not, is there a reset button of some kind? (Just in case your build goes wrong...)
Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-04-02 21:58

Eventually you will be able to. There seems to be an assumed cap of 20 right now, however no one in NA can possibly have gotten there quite yet, so it is unknown if the cap exists or not.
Habskii wrote on 2011-04-02 22:35

Quote from Masterdo;394124:
That's because the base damage is not worth it. What you use the missiles for is to hit multiple adds targets to give them either the slow or the petrify, not for the damage. So the multiple target and the debuff is worth it, while the grasp is not. I'd go with increased damage on the missiles themselves only after the 25 points skills, so far away basically.

Missiles= petrify
- does direct damage to targets
- while petrified, target still has full defense
- does full dmg to targets (even petrified)

Drain= slow
-slows enemies that are drained
-drained enemies boost your attk pwer ,
-more mobs= more incresed att or m.att
-slowed enemies have lowered defense

Best combo of all would be a dk lann and pall lan which both are spears. When they both spin2Win, it's the best of all, the drained enemies will be slow and have lwered defense while the lann missiles will come in to do full dmg, ofcourse if it isn't dead it will then become petrified with full defense, but when it gets drained again defense lowers and in both ways it is still slowed by either skill. This will repeat but...10x faster, this happens in 2 seconds btw. so imagine a full fight. Afk said that petrify is more useful in ep.8 thus far due to the targets being more slower than the drained targets. But then again...as i said.... S2W lann of both trans= best outcome
....Just Saying...
robert1514 wrote on 2011-04-02 23:48

my intended build
5 hp
4 def
5 potential
5 grasp
1 salvation
1 petrification
5 divine punishment
1 transformation

i guess that means i need 27 lvls for it T.T
Habskii wrote on 2011-04-03 00:06

Quote from robert1514;394255:
my intended build
5 hp
4 def
5 potential
5 grasp
1 salvation
1 petrification
5 divine punishment
1 transformation

i guess that means i need 27 lvls for it T.T

The last 2 Aren't possible and won't be until episode 9. Kr gets those in ep.9, unless nexon decides to give it to us in episode 8 or sumin....
blahblahblahx wrote on 2011-04-03 01:58

Pretty sure you only need 1 point in grasp and 1 point in divine punishment to get petrify or DK equivalent.

People have already addressed why it's a dumb idea to put points into Grasp while ignoring Divine Punishment, so I won't repeat them. For someone who puts other people down so often, Gotejjekens build is embarrassingly bad to anyone with a clue.
Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-04-03 02:23

Quote from Masterdo;394124:
That's because the base damage is not worth it. What you use the missiles for is to hit multiple adds targets to give them either the slow or the petrify, not for the damage. So the multiple target and the debuff is worth it, while the grasp is not. I'd go with increased damage on the missiles themselves only after the 25 points skills, so far away basically.

blahblah...I basically agree with this, so I guess Masterdo has no clue either? Either way, take your beef somewhere else. Also, I'm basing my build on a 20 point cap...so obviously I'd stick more points into DP later. As of now, targets are too easy to really need multi-hit / slowing.
Masterdo wrote on 2011-04-03 02:43

Quote from Gotejjeken;394406:
blahblah...I basically agree with this, so I guess Masterdo has no clue either? Either way, take your beef somewhere else. Also, I'm basing my build on a 20 point cap...so obviously I'd stick more points into DP later. As of now, targets are too easy to really need multi-hit / slowing.

I think you are confused...

My comment actually also means that your build is bad. The only fight out in Korea so for which any of those skills is meaningful anyway is Ingkells. For that fight the important thing is to slow/petrify as many mobs as possible. So for that fight, the ideal is as many points as possible in DP and 1 point in both Petrify and Grasp (needed to get the others). And while the monster's DEF is raised by a lot, the missiles still do full damage.

For every other fight, all this is meaningless anyway. Afk's note mentions that the base damage is not significant enough against a boss to be worth even a second point in Grasp.

So yeah, not sure where you got confused, but the main point everyone is making is that putting more than 1 point in Grasp is a bad idea up to Ep.8, and probably beyond too.
Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-04-03 02:47

My only intent in putting 3 in Grasp was to avoid DEF. As you said, the orbs as of now are quite meaningless...my only intent was to stick them somewhere useful. Upon finding out that DP is a 10 point skill and can be leveled with only 1 point in grasp, I agree with my build not being optimal.
Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-04-03 02:54

Quote from Gotejjeken;394439:
My only intent in putting 3 in Grasp was to avoid DEF. As you said, the orbs as of now are quite meaningless...my only intent was to stick them somewhere useful. Upon finding out that DP is a 10 point skill and can be leveled with only 1 point in grasp, I agree with my build not being optimal.

Where does it say Divine Punishment is a 10 point skill?

(If this is stated somewhere, pardon me for not looking closely enough, but looking in the database, it only sets the description up to Step 5.
Also, Firestorm has the ingame counter at 0/5, so I thought the paladin counterpart would be the same.)
Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-04-03 03:01

Hovering over it in-game it says: "Divine Punishment: You need at least 10 points".

EDIT: Oh, I think I confused you. I meant that I can start leveling it at 10 path points, not that it has 10 levels itself.
Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-04-03 03:21

Quote from Gotejjeken;394467:
Hovering over it in-game it says: "Divine Punishment: You need at least 10 points".

EDIT: Oh, I think I confused you. I meant that I can start leveling it at 10 path points, not that it has 10 levels itself.

Thank you for the clarification!

And my view on defense is "If you don't die in trans already, why would you need it?" so if you need it, go ahead, but Potential already adds some Defense.

And seeing as how people would go crazy over some low amounts of damage on their weapons, then why not go for a little bit of damage constantly during trans? (Also: I'm pretty sure that it is not just a 5% boost, even if the description says it. Seeing a level 1 Paladin with grasp and a level 3, you can see there's a difference in the amount of bolts shot.

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