Golem Exp Nerf

• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-02-11 09:34
  Buddy, you don't even know how much fun I'm having in this thread.
• Joker wrote on 2011-02-11 09:45

  Quote from Shanghai;330750:

  This may be unrelated, but we have to take account into the general knowledge of new players and those that don't go on these resources(which is about half of the population, give or take 10%). Say if some random new player showed up to Mabinogi, would he instantly know to rank Golem all the way to 1? Would he know that it was Easy-modo to get up there in the ranks of end-game players with little effort? No, the player doesn't even know about Alchemy unless a random person or friend showed it to him before he even got the initiating cutscene for G9. Even then, it would take awhile for the player to actually understand the uses and advantages Summon Golem has over any other Alchemy skill. He's also probably offset by the cost to get the skill, which is 30k, something the budget of a low-leveled player cannot afford if he isn't funded by a friend. Even then, there's a low chance of him actually wanting to rank the skill due to how boring the requirements are(Who wants to sit in front of some stones and click on them all day? I'd rather hunt monsters in SMs.). He does not know he needs to max Alchemy Mastery or Clay Mastery to get Golem to it's full potential, and even then he probably wouldn't know how to rank the 2 since he doesn't know how to get Frozen Blast or Intermediate magic to easily rank it. It's not at all possible for a new player to get Golem/AlchM/Clay to 1/1/1 right away from the start, unless the person was an intermediate player who had knowledge of all of this through 600 levels of playing, and even then he'd stick to Golem Summoning on his main and not a mule unless he wanted to multi-client. He doesn't know the nerfs/buffs(whatever you call it) that toke place within Golem Summoning since he just started. Unless you were some high-end player with funds into an alt, you wouldn't be able to get 1/1/1 by whatever level the AP it requires to get them all to 1/1/1, making it an end-game(maybe intermediate) skill.
  
  I don't know about some of you, but ranting about all these numbers, nerfs, and buffs does not sound like fun to me. The goal of a game is to have fun, not talk about mechanics that make the game fun. By doing so, you're making the game un-fun and making it lose the entire point of why the game was created. I know some people might, but the majority won't. So they don't bother with all this knowledge of Golem Summoning, thus they won't rank it in the first place.
  
  This post doesn't feel like it's supporting Golem or not, maybe it is. But then again, I just want to get this point out here after reading through this.

  
  
  tell that to total 50's i saw with thunder (in tarlach it costed roughly 500-600k) events do wonders... money isnt a problem if they buy nx >.> or get lucky during an event. and allot* of new players do research on a game b4 playing it like i do
  
  also i met a person who did just what your counterarguing hes pure alchemist and ranked golem to 1 first... >.>
  he was like total 500 when i met him he pwned total 2k's >.> and excels in pve with golems..
• Taliya wrote on 2011-02-11 12:49
  Pwning in pvp means nothing in this game. Snow golems are a pain to harvest and can actually be spent a lot faster then one may think. If you want your golem to last in a dungeon then you absolutely cannot spam WM. I know how much a lot of you love that skill. I realize that a lot of you play in deadly, but you must also realize your character is very small. Golems' size makes it easy to die when in a deadly state.
  
  I play alongside a great alchemist. His flame burst, water cannons, life drains and Crystalized magic is just as helpful as his golems are. He knows when to use his skills well and I wouldn't ever consider him as a player that took the easy way out just for using golems.
• Koishi wrote on 2011-02-11 13:14

  Quote from Kenero;330245:

  You mean this?:
  
  

  [Image: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7416/mabigolemsize.jpg]

  
  
  
  
  

  http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/Dimitri13/golemgraph.jpg

  
  
  *facepalm*
  
  No matter how many times you repeat this mantra, no reasonable person will buy it. G13 golem > G12 golem. The G13 golem with Clay and EQ is still bigger. If Clay Matery and EQ did not exist, THEN, you could argue that Golems were nerfed. However, they DO exist. Yet your argument seems to say "let's pretend the g13 golem buffs don't exist".
  
  

  Yes, you could say that Golem was "buffed," but everything else was "buffed." So, in essence, nothing was buffed.

  
  
  So wait, instead of determining whether a given skill is better in relation to PVE, you're trying to argue that something is nerfed because it didn't get better as fast as other things? The fact that other skills got better buffs is irrelevant. Golem got buffed in G13.
  
  And the fact is, if you were to *really* graph the increase of golem power (never mind that the endpoint of the line on your chart STILL ends above where it was at the end of G12), you would have to use two seperate graphs. Why? Because they are two seperate games. We don't play in KR mabi. We play in NA mabi. Therefore, the concept of buffing comes into play only in relation to what we had in NA Mabi.
  
  Again, in JP humans get Shadow Bunshin. Other servers do not get this skill. Are we to say that humans got nerfed because they do not have Shadow Bunshin? This is just one of the many reductio ab absurdums that your definition of "nerf" leads to.
• Arsik wrote on 2011-02-11 13:35
  Okay, I'm locking this thread now. The question has been answered a long time ago, so all of the arguing (and it is arguing, since insults were being flung around). If you'd like to continue the discussion, make a new thread in Mabinogi Talk, and keep it civil you two.