Lanns

• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-02-26 01:26

  Quote from Shizukani;351165:

  Fiona = Patience
  Evie = Precision
  Lann = Skill
  
  Seriously, though, you can't survive as a Spear Lann unless you know what the hell you're doing.

  
  
  Every class requires skill.
  Hell, I'd say Fiona doesn't need much patience at all. I'd argue that sheer knowledge of monster hit boxes, attack speeds, and the limits of your own abilities is more than enough to defeat any boss out currently.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-26 01:42

  Quote from Andy-Buddy;351171:

  Every class requires skill.
  Hell, I'd say Fiona doesn't need much patience at all. I'd argue that sheer knowledge of monster hit boxes, attack speeds, and the limits of your own abilities is more than enough to defeat any boss out currently.

  
  
  Fiona requires the patience to say "No" to the full combos. Whenever I'm attacking, I can't stand not going for max damage. So, maybe it's not so much patience as the humility to say, "I don't have time to amaranth, I'll just blossom instead."
  
  When I'm on my Evy, I'll just take the hit and go for broke, which usually leaves me with no mana shields, and I end up missing anyway.
• Shizukani wrote on 2011-02-26 01:49

  Quote from Lyre;351168:

  I would like to direct you to any full spear party ever, with a showcase on spin2win nightmare runs.

  
  
  Psh, I'm not talking about raids. Spear Lanns do exceptionally well on raids if they just know how to spin around the enemy.
  
  However, for normal Battle Quests e.g. Trampled Plains, Spear Lanns (And Sword Lanns, definitely) need to know how and when to dodge in order to prevent being murdered as a result of their intensely low defense.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-26 01:54

  Quote from Shizukani;351190:

  Psh, I'm not talking about raids. Spear Lanns do exceptionally well on raids if they just know how to spin around the enemy.
  
  However, for normal Battle Quests e.g. Trampled Plains, Spear Lanns (And Sword Lanns, definitely) need to know how and when to dodge in order to prevent being murdered as a result of their intensely low defense.

  
  
  Spear lanns have it hard when it comes to not taking damage, but it's definitely not due to low defense. It's because of low maneuverability. (That, and their main buff costs health)
  
  Lanns can wear full plate if they max appropriate skills and enhance.
  
  Evies get the poo end when it comes to defense, and staff Evies don't even get blink, so they don't get to make up for it with maneuverability.
  
  It would be much easier for them if they could firebolt from afar, but they have to get up to melee distance.
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-02-26 02:45

  Quote from Lyre;351186:

  Fiona requires the patience to say "No" to the full combos. Whenever I'm attacking, I can't stand not going for max damage. So, maybe it's not so much patience as the humility to say, "I don't have time to amaranth, I'll just blossom instead."
  
  When I'm on my Evy, I'll just take the hit and go for broke, which usually leaves me with no mana shields, and I end up missing anyway.

  
  
  I'll argue that Lann has to do the same thing, or else he'd die very quickly. (Ohwai-)
  
  Evie does have some cushion, but you cannot usually just go for broke with any class, and I rarely see any class pulling out a full combo unless the boss is stunned.
  
  (And about the holding back on a full combo, I love having a party member distract while I spam Stigmas.)
  
  Hell, you'll lose your combo with any class if you get hit, so dodging is the only option for Lanns. They are forced to lose their full combo, while Fiona has a chance to retaliate and get back into the fight sooner.
• xJac wrote on 2011-02-26 03:06

  Quote from Lyre;351186:

  Fiona requires the patience to say "No" to the full combos. Whenever I'm attacking, I can't stand not going for max damage. So, maybe it's not so much patience as the humility to say, "I don't have time to amaranth, I'll just blossom instead."
  

  
  Every class needs to say "No" to full combos, not just Fiona. Ever seen the famous Black Hammer solo video? *poke glide repeat (that requires tremendous effort holding yourself from thinking "just a spin wouldn't hurt.")
  
  

  Quote from Shizukani;351190:

  Psh, I'm not talking about raids. Spear Lanns do exceptionally well on raids if they just know how to spin around the enemy.
  
  However, for normal Battle Quests e.g. Trampled Plains, Spear Lanns (And Sword Lanns, definitely) need to know how and when to dodge in order to prevent being murdered as a result of their intensely low defense.

  
  If they know how to spin around the enemy (by that I mean not getting hit and still doing good damage), then they will excel in any quest, not just raids.
  
  

  Quote from Lyre;351196:

  Spear lanns have it hard when it comes to not taking damage, but it's definitely not due to low defense. It's because of low maneuverability. (That, and their main buff costs health)
  

  
  Not so much about maneuverability. I consider spears a good class to maneuver as it has infinite stamina, fast attack speed, long range roll with ability to lower height and can critical, high critical chance, 3 hit smashes, GF, hurricane, and a dash smash that can also work as a dodge. In general spears is a fast playstyle, dead or alive, and requires good reflex to take advantage of his nature. If done correctly, spears can be constantly dealing damage to a boss, while other class would have to back off once in a while to restore stamina. Many people out there don't know how to use spears because they are not actively using spears advantages. A pro spear user can and will use anything on his disposal. (Not me though, I am a noob spears :XD:)
• Shizukani wrote on 2011-02-26 03:14

  Quote from xJac;351265:

  
  If they know how to spin around the enemy (by that I mean not getting hit and still doing good damage), then they will excel in any quest, not just raids.
  
  
  Not so much about maneuverability. I consider spears a good class to maneuver as it has infinite stamina

  
  
  Have you seen the new Boats that are coming out in later episodes? You need more than just "spinning around the enemy" to be able to survive and actually deal good damage to those bosses.
  
  And spear Lanns don't have infinite stamina, LOL.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-26 03:19

  Quote from Shizukani;351275:

  And spear Lanns don't have infinite stamina, LOL.

  
  
  In the later episodes, they will with Trans.
• Shizukani wrote on 2011-02-26 03:25

  Quote from Lyre;351278:

  In the later episodes, they will with Trans.

  
  
  Yeah, I know that already. I'm talking about normally.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-26 03:39
  evie doesn't need any more precision than the other classes o.o they're easy mode IMO, with their high damage and blink (scythe of course)
  Fionas are also easy to master, they depend on reflexes a lot with a Shield. If you have good reflexes, youll likely make an excellent Fiona.
  I have no knowledge of Lann, but imo they're the most difficult to play lategame. I agree with you needing skill to pull it off. watching papa play scares the crap out of me.
  
  in the end stereotypes are simply stereotypes! you decide how well you end up using your character.
  
  And spear Lanns practically have unlimited stamina really.. by the time you pull off your combo on a boss and roll out of their once a boss prepares it's move, you're able to pull off a fury infusion. I guess it depends to a certain degree :p
• Ailyene wrote on 2011-02-26 04:32

  Quote from Mama;351292:

  
  Fionas are also easy to master, they depend on reflexes a lot with a Shield. If you have good reflexes, youll likely make an excellent Fiona.
  

  
  
  I hate it when I click on the right time but due to lag, my fiona doesn't counter anyway. =( Sometimes it takes a ton of clicks before my character will even do something.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-26 04:46

  Quote from Ailyene;351356:

  I hate it when I click on the right time but due to lag, my fiona doesn't counter anyway. =( Sometimes it takes a ton of clicks before my character will even do something.

  
  
  aw, that sucks. Is it because your computer isn't that great? graphics lag has always been a problem for me personally.
• Ailyene wrote on 2011-02-26 07:03

  Quote from Mama;351366:

  aw, that sucks. Is it because your computer isn't that great? graphics lag has always been a problem for me personally.

  
  
  Yeah...I play with all my applications off, interface off, and on lowest settings, but my laptop still can barely handle some maps (like ainle and the prairie because of fire and/or too many things in the background).
• BlackGod wrote on 2011-02-26 07:22

  Quote from Micho;345530:

  Most I seen are Lanns to be honest, there's the occasional Fiona but Evies just shut up and play and don't talk as much, but yeah I'm stereotyping here based on my experiences, darn Lanns. -shakes fist-

  
  
  In my experience, most Lanns (mostly spears) I meet outside of my guild die really quickly vs. all non-trash mobs. Then they never manage to pull off a stun or any high hitting hits till a Fiona or Evie stuns them first. I see them getting wiped out at the first bar from Goliath all the way back to Gnoll Chieftain. I wouldn't be surprised if they die to Embermain solo on Gold Leather dailies. I wonder how they get such a supremacist attitude when they usually are the LEAST USEFUL MEMBERS in pretty much EVERY PARTY. Sword Lanns I meet usually do little, but at least they don't die, slow you down, and on top of that make you waste phoenix feathers while simultaneously increasing the bosses' health, wasting stun opportunities on the boss, and risking your own life to save a member who will probably die again and have to have you save them within the next 10 seconds.
  
  Evies seem to get hit lots... Even with blink they seem to enjoy damage sponging with their mana shields. Lots of them are just as bad as Lanns, if not worse, but that lack of skill is often covered up by the fact that they have range and can damage sponge till their mana shields break, but I guess it's good that they're not as cocky. They talk more than any other character on average. Pleasant, maybe, but as a class they try WAY TOO HARD to be cute, and it's annoying.
  
  Fionas' attitudes usually respond with their skill level; the weak or unskilled ones are usually modest, friendly, and pleasant, and the more skilled ones are more arrogant. They're the minority of the game, so I guess having their character personalities based on skill seems reasonable to that end.
• Shizukani wrote on 2011-02-26 14:11

  Quote from BlackGod;351490:

  In my experience, most Lanns (mostly spears) I meet outside of my guild die really quickly vs. all non-trash mobs. Then they never manage to pull off a stun or any high hitting hits till a Fiona or Evie stuns them first. I see them getting wiped out at the first bar from Goliath all the way back to Gnoll Chieftain. I wouldn't be surprised if they die to Embermain solo on Gold Leather dailies. I wonder how they get such a supremacist attitude when they usually are the LEAST USEFUL MEMBERS in pretty much EVERY PARTY. Sword Lanns I meet usually do little, but at least they don't die, slow you down, and on top of that make you waste phoenix feathers while simultaneously increasing the bosses' health, wasting stun opportunities on the boss, and risking your own life to save a member who will probably die again and have to have you save them within the next 10 seconds.

  
  
  If played correctly, a spear Lann can become the most useful person in the party, what with the high DPS that they have. Alas, most people lack the skill to play, or they are too arrogant and just rush in.