Lanns

• xJac wrote on 2011-02-26 16:58

  Quote from Shizukani;351275:

  Have you seen the new Boats that are coming out in later episodes? You need more than just "spinning around the enemy" to be able to survive and actually deal good damage to those bosses.
  
  And spear Lanns don't have infinite stamina, LOL.

  
  
  This.
  

  Quote from Mama;351292:

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  I have no knowledge of Lann, but imo they're the most difficult to play lategame. I agree with you needing skill to pull it off. watching papa play scares the crap out of me.
  
  in the end stereotypes are simply stereotypes! you decide how well you end up using your character.
  
  And spear Lanns practically have unlimited stamina really.. by the time you pull off your combo on a boss and roll out of their once a boss prepares it's move, you're able to pull off a fury infusion. I guess it depends to a certain degree :p

  
  
  I already said, "a pro spear". As far as I know, I have only seen one person in NA done that, that is Mr.Papa, who would actually think of using roll/hurricane to his advantage, as well as the use for each combo to best suit the situation. He is, indeed, using everything to his disposal. (Instead of everyone else that keep saying roll/hurricane is a big NO NO, he went and took advantage of it.)
  
  Here's some videos of pro spears users, they don't have to use every move against a boss, but what they used are the best for the situation.
  Papa's famous hidden run
  Spin2win
  Poke Poke Poke
  Positioning
  The later two is more like a demonstration it can be done, there is still possible improvement.
  
  Anyway, I am just saying a good spears, actually, a good player should always keep an open mind and willing to take risk for better reward. You may fail, and just looked like a noob trying to do so, but if you succeed, the reward will worth every second you put into practicing/testing.
• Keijo wrote on 2011-02-28 01:11
  Really didn't expect this thread to get as many replies as it did. Was kinda expecting to get yelled at for bashing something before I tried it. O.o
• newpants wrote on 2011-02-28 03:53
  I just think it's funny how people think you can be impatient, imprecise as a lann. If anything you need more patience and more precision.
  
  I see scythe evies running around spamming llllr randomly around the map hoping to land it, blinking if there's ever any danger.
  I see fionas switching to large shields and sitting in heavy stander and then using their 4 sp move.
  Then there's lanns, who have to be careful with their combos/precise with slip dash otherwise they die.
  Staff evies have my respect.
  
  
  Anyways, this is just a sentiment I'm starting to get from 52+. Spin2win/arrogance arguments really don't apply after that. As far as I've seen, they seem to peter out past that level, because you really do need some sort of skill afterward. They tend to die awfully fast otherwise, and no one likes dying that fast. I also see much less spear lanns doing dungeons now.
  
  

  As much as I tell myself that this isn't the proper way to think...
  
  ...I can't help but feel that people who play lanns are just slightly dumb.

  
  
  I'm sure the nazis also thought that about the jews for the same reasoning as well. Yes, it really isn't the proper way to think.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-28 04:09

  Quote from newpants;353338:

  I'm sure the nazis also thought that about the jews for the same reasoning as well. Yes, it really isn't the proper way to think.

  
  
  Before you start talking talk like that, you should know that the vast majority of germans were not anti-semitic. Very few germans had any problem with the semitic community, and a large portion were actually fond of the jews. As famously demonstrated by Stanley Milgram, they were only doing what they were told.
  
  In addition, between the wise man and the fool, it is the fool who speaks out when he is called a fool.
• newpants wrote on 2011-02-28 04:50
  Yes, most were doing as they were told. Would I say all germans were pure-Nazis? No. I'm talking about the ones spreading the blond eyes, blue eyes superiority complex.
  
  As for why I spoke out about your comment, I'm talking about how people can say they have a hate for a certain group of people, or such, without having any substantial reasoning.
  
  You can call me a fool, I really don't care one way about it. Saying so without reasoning though, is just pointless and unneeded. Send a hateful message, get a hateful message back.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-28 05:30

  Quote from newpants;353401:

  You can call me a fool, I really don't care one way about it.

  
  
  Good. That's the way it should be.
  
  And I said nothing hateful. You think I hate people that I think are dumb?
  
  

  Quote from newpants;353401:

  Saying so without reasoning though, is just pointless and unneeded.

  
  
  I definitely have reasons. Just because I didn't share my seemingly overflowing list of experiences that make me believe that, doesn't mean there isn't one.
  
  Also,
  

  Quote from newpants;353338:

  Yes, it really isn't the proper way to think.

  
  I could say the same to you.
  

  Quote from newpants;353401:

  Send a hateful message, get a hateful message back.

  
  
  Finally, I've already acknowledged that the thought that all people who play Lanns are dumb is wrong, which means I understand that there are at least some highly intelligent Lanns.
  
  However, I've stopped giving Lanns the benefit of the doubt, and I usually explain things with extreme detail, then I give a shorter version in case they didn't read/understand. I also don't trust them to do meticulous jobs like being the one to whittle away the boss' health for kick/spear kills.
  
  Such a prejudice is naturally occurring, the mistrust of strangers, it's just that, in my case, the feeling is stronger when they're a Lann for no other reason that, out of all the times I let pugs do things that require delicacy, Lanns mess it up more often than Evies and Fionas. I don't know if that's how it is for other people, but that's how it goes for me, so I just save time and a possible headache by not letting the Lanns do the delicate stuff.
  
  I don't know if you're a Lann or not, but if you are, and you don't think what I said applies to you, screw me! Who cares what I think? You sure shouldn't.
  
  Who would expect someone to admit that a group they belong to in inferior when it comes to something like basic intelligence, even if the deficiency is only small? I don't, so I don't expect you to ever agree with me. However, today alone, I've had 5 Lanns ask for special kill bonus missions, only to have them mess it up themselves. 2 of them I offered to help a second time, whereupon they made the exact same mistake.
• newpants wrote on 2011-02-28 06:20
  These reasons are exactly what I'd like to see though. I do mainly use a lann. I like to see what people don't like about them and try to better myself at playing them with others. When a person says flat out they don't like them, without sharing any specifics, it isn't very informative.
  
  I don't think you hate dumb people. Perhaps "hateful" was the wrong word. I'm saying your post was pretty inflammatory. A specific group of people with lower intellects than the everyone else. Say the same about fionas or evies and I'd still think so.
  
  Anywho, I'll agree with that one point. I've had my share of lanns mess up bonuses. I've also had a lot of evies and fionas do that as well though. I save bonus hunting for friends.
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-02-28 06:30

  Quote from newpants;353493:

  These reasons are exactly what I'd like to see though. I do mainly use a lann. I like to see what people don't like about them and try to better myself at playing them with others. When a person says flat out they don't like them, without sharing any specifics, it isn't very informative.
  
  I don't think you hate dumb people. Perhaps "hateful" was the wrong word. I'm saying your post was pretty inflammatory. A specific group of people with lower intellects than the everyone else. Say the same about fionas or evies and I'd still think so.
  
  Anywho, I'll agree with that one point. I've had my share of lanns mess up bonuses. I've also had a lot of evies and fionas do that as well though. I save bonus hunting for friends.

  
  
  It's simply a stereotype. I understand how you could be a great Lann, but there's still a large majority of Lanns who fail to understand some of the mechanics of the game. It is an observation to see that Lanns are the ones that go for the more reckless attacks because it is more forgiving to them, as they can slipdash out at any time. Fionas are given less windows to pull out, and Evies can flat out take the hit without worrying. (Unless it's a heavy combo.) At higher levels, you see the players weeded out as the characters who aren't skilled enough or just dislike the class's play at that level end up defaulting to Lann, who could be played pretty lazily until level 40 or so.