New Exploit?

• Archibald wrote on 2010-05-22 13:34
  :thumb:
  
  I'm loving this game based debate that is starting to delv into philosophical terms.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-22 15:03

  Quote from Justified;41335:

  Except one person isn't doing anything (ie. OCFB botting) while the other slaves away with real effort.
  In the real world and in games, balance is made through work --> reward. If somebody can just skip the work and snag the rewards, then it makes everything all screwy. While it may not set the server on the path to apocalypse, it does pose several problems.
  As these cheaters get stronger, they gain more influence over the server. They gain more control of crafted items (auto finish), control of dropped items (Dorren's), essentially control over much of the economy. Can you honestly say that this doesn't affect people who don't actually see them inside their dungeons?
  How many endgame players do you see NOT using blacksmithed, tailored, or synthesized items?

  
  
  Take two people, Person A and Person B. Both unknown to you except you hear rumors of both doing certain Shadow Mission a lot like crazy to get exp/items. Person A uses a legit method, and Person B uses a non-legit method. However, both Person A and Person B do not talk about it, and noone knows what is going on inside those missions. Both persons have the same effect on the economy of a certain item, assuming it drops only from that Shadow Mission that noone else does, and that certain item is high demand.
  
  However, you won't be able to complain about Person A or Person B if you never knew their method because their outcomes are exactly the same.
  
  What does the blacksmithing, tailored, and synthesized items for endgame player have to do with this debate?
  
  Skip the work and snag the reward is screwy? So naive. So, a person who works really hard deserves rewards? In real life, that is not always the case. Just because you work really hard doesn't mean you deserve anything.
  
  High level players controlling the game? You make it sound like only a select few cheaters are high levels. NA Mabinogi is pretty old already, being high level isn't really rare anymore.
  
  Also, Mabinogi is the type of game where people can basically ignore each other if they want to level, unlike certain MMORPGs that forces you to pvp when you want to level at high levels.
  
  The reason why some people complain at all about what they do privately is that they are basically jealous of others.
  
  If some of you guys ever log off the game for a long time, you may realize that it is still just a game. Stop treating it like it is some kind of Olympics or high profile competition with lives on the line or something.
• Juno wrote on 2010-05-22 16:55
  To assume Person A could run on par with Person B is wishful thinking at best. In the situation at hand even a 100% drop/synth rate (which is impossible) would not be better than farming crystals in basic rather than hard.
  
  To assume that people only complain out of jealousy is simple-minded. It suggests that there is little point to producing counter-arguments since they will most likely be written off without serious consideration. It's that same mindset that assumes that people who speak out must have no life outside of Mabinogi and never log off long enough to separate reality from fiction. What I don't understand is why you say that but still use real life correlations in your arguments with the whole hard work thing.
  
  How pointless...I guess what I'm saying is that there's no purpose in responding to the post I just responded to...Don't I feel smart t.t
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-23 02:58
  Lul, at the very least you've released some pent up energy, right?
  
  Anywho, debates are fun and all, but we should really save up our energy for getting Nexon to do something about this glitch.
  
  Now for a bit of news: a GM responded to the ticket that I submitted with information on the glitch. He claims that they're "looking into it." Could mean something, could mean nothing.
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-23 03:17

  Quote from EndlessDreams;41401:

  What does the blacksmithing, tailored, and synthesized items for endgame player have to do with this debate?
  
  Skip the work and snag the reward is screwy? So naive. So, a person who works really hard deserves rewards? In real life, that is not always the case. Just because you work really hard doesn't mean you deserve anything.
  
  The reason why some people complain at all about what they do privately is that they are basically jealous of others.
  
  If some of you guys ever log off the game for a long time, you may realize that it is still just a game. Stop treating it like it is some kind of Olympics or high profile competition with lives on the line or something.

  
  
  Like I said, illegit crafters have an advantage over legit ones. It directly affects other players, since many would not go to a legit rA blacksmith when there's a r1 smith perfect finishing all his weapons?
  
  It's funny, because on the in another thread you explicitly said that Communism is a horrible idea because people will get things they don't deserve. Now you're saying that it's naive to think people should get what they deserve, and people don't deserve things just for working hard. Either you're a walking contradiction, or you're playing the devil's advocate.
  
  And ad hominems aside please, just because people "complain" about something doesn't mean it means the world to them. I can honestly say that I don't think the slightest bit about cheaters or the unfairness of Mabi unless I'm directly confronted with it at the moment - like reading a thread about cheating. Also, the Olympics are also just a game on a large scale. Some people care about competitiveness in MMOs because that's a prime factor in a multiplayer game, just because you don't care doesn't meat it doesn't matter - something you and Trigger don't exactly get.
• Taycat wrote on 2010-05-23 04:09
  tl;dr guys.
  
  I don't have the time.
• Rime wrote on 2010-05-23 04:23
  Buh. Let's just drop it with the debating already, guys. This isn't going anywhere ^^;
  
  

  Quote from Xiyamae;41875:

  tl;dr guys.
  
  I don't have the time.

  
  
  Okay. Spam section is that way. Please direct yourself to it.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-23 04:34
  Compare the community of Maplestory's to the community of Mabinogi and you will see why arguing and debating is pointless.
• Juno wrote on 2010-05-23 05:15

  Quote from Rime:

  Now for a bit of news: a GM responded to the ticket that I submitted with information on the glitch. He claims that they're "looking into it." Could mean something, could mean nothing.

  
  
  What information did you submit already?
  
  I just saw a well known person and two others repeatedly going into the shadow realm, exiting 20 seconds later and going in again. When I asked what they were doing they replied 'being bored' and when one of their partymates was asked via message from someone else they responded 'watching TV'. The person has ties to foreign communities so it stands to reason they would have knowledge of this mod/glitch. It seems as if it's perforated pretty well into NA already.
  
  Unfortunately one doesn't need direct knowledge of how to do it to benefit so it's a lot easier for people to keep it under wraps. Without a method, Nexon is unlikely to act...and something tells me they won't have any better luck finding it.
• NewbieNub wrote on 2010-05-23 05:47
  Let's just keep it simple.
  
  Using mods in a game, in Mabinogi terms, is like PVPing with Elixirs with HP, MP and SP recovery effects and wound recovery being used against a player who've stated in the rules that there shall be no archery, no magic, no pets, no potions, no ego/ spirit weapons, no transformations or whatsoever to be used.
  
  When this abusing player is going to get KO'd, he or she would use transformation to turn the tide of battle.
  
  
  Sure, you might say, sure that player who's abusing those potions and whatever that's stated above is a legit player because it's all available in game. But do you think it's really fair for the other players? Just because NEXON doesn't gives a **** about it doesn't means you can go about abusing your mods and all that crap. Wait, just so if I'm having fun, I can do anything I want?
  
  
  
  What about crashing the entire mabinogi server or destroying a particular player's character data? I think I'll have fun doing that!
  
  But no, in the end, moral values do count no matter if it's the internet or not. It's what makes someone a better person than another, pretty much the same thing how different people have different views against others. This particular thing that you're so lax'd about, morals, is what people would judge you from.
  
  
  I had respect for you Trigger, because I thought you were a legit player, but apparently your recent posts in this particular thread had changed it.
  
  Now you're no better than those modders that run about, boasting, crying about Nexon removing mods and all you care about is for the sake of your own happiness.
  
  If I can't state it better, I did say that's kinda pathetic.
  
  
  
  
  

  [FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="7"]Your actions affects more people than you did think[/SIZE][/FONT]

  
  
  That's all.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-23 06:32
  -yawns-
  Man this was a long read :|
  
  At least what I do doesn't affect people in a bad way...
  
  Though, also, I haven' seen anyone acting suspiciously around the altar on channel 5 mari whenever i was around there...
  I kinda wish I could level faster though :P
  
  -runs G9 Final tomorrow... maybe- :|
  
  
  Oh that reminds me... isn't it kind of an exploit how you can save up your Shadow Missions?
  Like how when you do someone else's "The Last Battle" and "Finale" while you have the quests yourself, you can save them for the next time and do them again.
  
  Not sure if that's an exploit or what.
  
  But this Dorren business sure does sound... broken and nice. :\
  If everyone did this it'd be like setting ciar beginner mobs to 1.337m per monster.
  er... maybe not that much exp xD
  maybe like 13.37k per :P
  
  it'd be easier but everyone would be able to do it...
  wait i forgot if i was making a point or just typing what i was thinking...
  
  I'm not entirely sure what i could add to this conversation but i read the whole thread and felt like i wanted to say something :S
  
  Though everyone would love this kind of experience gain unless you don't like leveling fast, which sounds kinda weird :P
  If there was a more legit way of getting that much exp, that much easier.... I'd find it nice xD
  But I'm short on AP :P
  
  Lemme try to summarize what I hope to say...
  This glitch = lotsa exp and money and maybe rare items in a sorta really fast manner.
  Those who do it get lotsa boosts
  Those who don't because they can't, lose out in comparison of time and effort. And exp and gold and items and yadda yadda.
  Those who don't, while they have the ability to... lose out in the same way as those who can't but... slightly diff... Like people who know how to river glitch and are able to but spam Stones of Sliabh Cuilin or something for levels. I dunno :|
  
  I can't really do much but compare this glitch to my own experiences... it reminds me of when i played MapleStory and i smuggled PQ items to do the PQs faster...
  
  I mean, it was against the rules, but I still did it knowing that... and now I don't play it anymore cuz even then it was boring... But if i started fresh, i'd probably do it again... Unless they fixed it. Then I'd do what i did before, grind on monsters in a private server lol~ maybe
  
  Gah I keep losing my point...
  er...
  maybe i'll just end it with this:
  This glitch lets people level faster than most people ever could normally, and with a lot less grinding.
  I can't do this glitch so I can't keep up with them, but my leveling isn't slowed down since I'm still doing the same thing as before I heard of the glitch.
  But I'm a little demoraled (er, like i have less morale) and that bums me out and I want to do the glitch to level faster too...
  But I can't do it, and I can't really complain to anyone that can do anything about it (well, without wasting my breath... er, typing) other than leaving a ticket.
  So I just go on playing and then G10 comes out and I'm happy and I'm still short on AP cuz raincasting is eating it alive and I'm still leveling and having fun and going on and they're still glitching the exp and it's still kind of a bummer, but I can't do much about it still so I keep rb-ing and getting my lazy AP goals of 40/15 or 20 and finally get stuff and blah blah...
  
  So really, if this glitch never existed no one would be bummed out about some people leveling tons faster than them. And if everyone knew how it'd still be unfair since... I guess, since that's not how the game was meant to be played or something.
  
  Grr, I keep ending up with a weak statement... Oh well, this could get fixed eventually, I guess.
  All we can do is wait on Nexon, right?
  
  tl;dr
  FFFUUUU- wall of text
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-23 06:42
  Maybe the glitch has something to do with bank coupons.
  Who knows.
  I don't really care...
  Either way I rather kill things.
• Juno wrote on 2010-05-23 07:10
  Bank coupons have been tested, no dice.
  
  Same with temp inventories and pets.
  
  The Maplestory smuggling method seems unlikely to work as all items drop on a DC and talking to Dorren instantly gets rid of the crystals, no matter how many you have.
  
  As Saix said earlier picking them up and trying to enter results in them falling back onto the altar which in conjunction with the above observations suggests some sort of mod.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-23 07:29

  Quote from Juno;42009:

  Bank coupons have been tested, no dice.
  
  Same with temp inventories and pets.
  
  The Maplestory smuggling method seems unlikely to work as all items drop on a DC and talking to Dorren instantly gets rid of the crystals, no matter how many you have.
  
  As Saix said earlier picking them up and trying to enter results in them falling back onto the altar which in conjunction with the above observations suggests some sort of mod.

  
  
  Item protection mod probably (Prevents items from being dropped period.)
  Someone would have to test.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-23 07:43
  maybe it's like an itemdb mod like someone mentioned earlier...
  though i have no idea how those work really :S
  maybe there's like a 0 you can change to a 1 under like "droppable, tradeable" blah blah?
  
  That'd explain it, but it'd explain nothing if this wasn't the case, of course xD