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Kaeporo wrote on 2011-07-01 11:24
Quote from Tekashi;496450:
Problem with that is it hurts new player's ability to make money as well. There is a fine line between balancing low level play and killing off gold farmers. If they make it too detrimental for young players to make gold, Mabinogi won't be able to get more newer players to sustain the game.
When's the last time you saw nubs slaughting weak bot mobs for rewards? That would take hours, which i'm sure they wouldn't have patience for. Mabinogi gives you plenty of starting advantages. If you need gold/exp, run a dungeon, shadow mission, theater mission or hunt something that a mindless robot couldn't also slaughter for weeks.
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Phunkie wrote on 2011-07-01 12:28
All these Shadow Missions nerfs are silly.
People are still gonna run SCC.
They should only improve experiences to the Taillteann ones instead, instead of nerfing the Tara ones too.
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Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-07-01 12:51
Hmmm ling didn't get nerfed, /learn2spamling or solo/duo swhm.
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Koishi wrote on 2011-07-01 12:57
An extra 8 max 6 crit on your WNWPC/SN item? mitebcool.
Of course, you have to rank Enthrall instead of handi lol
And Devcat's nerfs don't make sense.
Taill missions are harder so yes they should get buffed. But why nerf awesome Rath Castle missions?
I agree SCC and TM should get the nerf-stick though; solonogi is not healthy. If anything the TM nerf wasn't big enough (and elves can always use even nerfed golems to get through it fast). SCC needs to just nerf the exp gain of the doppel.
imo the Taill buffs aren't big enough. Taill Defensive battle should give something like 225k/45k, due to the level of difficulty involved on Hard (mostly getting a party together). Dorren's needs a buffing too, and a huge one at that. You more or less need rank 1ish AM/rank 6+ synther who's also a great fighter to finish it efficiently. 450k on Elite sounds nice (though obviously you gotta patch the glitch). Conflict should get a MASSIVE buff, I'm talking maybe 500k on Elite, with a 75k gold reward. Much better end-chest rewards too.
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Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-07-01 13:10
Quote from Koishi;496637:
An extra 8 max 6 crit on your WNWPC/SN item? mitebcool.
Sadly Classics is a prefix just like WN and SN so no WN/SN Classics.
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Koishi wrote on 2011-07-01 13:25
Quote from Animefreak97;496645:
Sadly Classics is a prefix just like WN and SN so no WN/SN Classics.
Weird, I misread it completely.
In that case why even bother making it? I guess as an "easier to get" version of Vast, except I doubt it would be that.
Seems pretty redundant.
Not sure what's the point of making most of these enchants; they're mostly redundant/outclassed by what already exists (you wouldn't use Special over Restored unless you're really dying for max because it's barely better than Extraordinary, and you wouldn't use it over Ancient at ALL, you wouldn't use Ecstasy over Raven/Viscount and you might use it over Dignified if you have 300 dex already after Battle Sword/WNWPC Dex loss).
Also quest item inv? Does that mean stuff like Brionac/skill books/Adinel Horn can be dumped in? DO WANT. R>personalized item inv.
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Phunkie wrote on 2011-07-01 13:46
Quote from Koishi;496637:
An extra 8 max 6 crit on your WNWPC/SN item? mitebcool.
Of course, you have to rank Enthrall instead of handi lol
And Devcat's nerfs don't make sense.
Taill missions are harder so yes they should get buffed. But why nerf awesome Rath Castle missions?
I agree SCC and TM should get the nerf-stick though; solonogi is not healthy. If anything the TM nerf wasn't big enough (and elves can always use even nerfed golems to get through it fast). SCC needs to just nerf the exp gain of the doppel.
imo the Taill buffs aren't big enough. Taill Defensive battle should give something like 225k/45k, due to the level of difficulty involved on Hard (mostly getting a party together). Dorren's needs a buffing too, and a huge one at that. You more or less need rank 1ish AM/rank 6+ synther who's also a great fighter to finish it efficiently. 450k on Elite sounds nice (though obviously you gotta patch the glitch). Conflict should get a MASSIVE buff, I'm talking maybe 500k on Elite, with a 75k gold reward. Much better end-chest rewards too.
Nobody wants to do Defensive battle though. It's such a waste of time, IMO. Too much effort.
You need to coordinate with people and whatnot. Conflict would be nice, however.
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Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-07-01 13:51
I lol'ed when I saw these two pics
[Image: http://i51.tinypic.com/2i9mo8o.jpg]
[Image: http://i54.tinypic.com/3126y40.jpg]
That's really REALLY messed up.
Their bodies, don't match up with their heads at all.
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Fyois wrote on 2011-07-01 15:24
As nice as some of that stuff is for rangers, there's no Alchemy love here. And also, good god stop messing with my shadow missions. I might as well just use all these stocked up shadow crystals now instead of waiting for a double rainbow if you're just going to keep lowering them.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2011-07-01 15:26
Quote from Phigga;496662:
Nobody wants to do Defensive battle though. It's such a waste of time, IMO. Too much effort.
You need to coordinate with people and whatnot. Conflict would be nice, however.
Conflict is a 5 minute mission.
5 minute for 500k?
No.
Just No.
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Foxflare wrote on 2011-07-01 15:49
100% aim. Oh god no.... EvG has no hope.
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Koishi wrote on 2011-07-01 16:15
Quote from Aubog007;496701:
Conflict is a 5 minute mission.
5 minute for 500k?
No.
Just No.
It really takes you 5 minutes to kill all the spawns in the mission on Hard Mode, let alone Elite?
Basilisk has 40k, has one more person, and can be safely WM locked. Basilisk often takes more than 5 minutes to die on Hard Mode. I mean, sure some parties could clear the mission quickly, but not many at all.
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NotAnElf wrote on 2011-07-01 17:51
Quote from Koishi;496749:
It really takes you 5 minutes to kill all the spawns in the mission on Hard Mode, let alone Elite?
Basilisk has 40k, has one more person, and can be safely WM locked. Basilisk often takes more than 5 minutes to die on Hard Mode. I mean, sure some parties could clear the mission quickly, but not many at all.
If you're soloing it, it's safer/faster to mag or smash while it's in defense.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2011-07-01 20:38
Quote from Koishi;496749:
It really takes you 5 minutes to kill all the spawns in the mission on Hard Mode, let alone Elite?
Basilisk has 40k, has one more person, and can be safely WM locked. Basilisk often takes more than 5 minutes to die on Hard Mode. I mean, sure some parties could clear the mission quickly, but not many at all.
Trans Demi i did elite in like 5 minutes.
Surprisingly easy
Possibly 7-8 minutes tops for elite.
And im talking about Conflict! An Unexpected Battle.
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Koishi wrote on 2011-07-01 22:29
I know, was just using it as a reference point.
Still, if you're using trans demi to clear it in any appreciable speed and only getting a little EXP for it, then it needs a buff. It's certainly not something you can get a random party for.