Guild Loot Systems

• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-31 13:01
  Lets say~
  Me and my guild run Fomor Commander II for Enchants/Broad Axe...
  So we grind till everyone gets something he/she wants and I hold everything (Im Guild Leader :P) till I got enough to split it up and make everyone happy^^ Works pretty good your guild members just need to have some patience~
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-05-31 13:06

  Quote from Fumy;51288:

  Lets say~
  Me and my guild run Fomor Commander II for Enchants/Broad Axe...
  So we grind till everyone gets something he/she wants and I hold everything (Im Guild Leader :P) till I got enough to split it up and make everyone happy^^ Works pretty good your guild members just need to have some patience~

  
  
  What is stopping a player from "becoming busy" once his/her item is found? :v
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-31 13:09

  Quote from Zatrox;51290:

  What is stopping a player from "becoming busy" once his/her item is found? :v

  
  
  Sowwy but I dun have members like that in my guild :P well if he/she completely goes afk and doesnt go to any future runs (I don't really mind if you go afk for a few minutes and don't participate in like 1 run) he/she gets nothing for not helping :3 You can't really help once and when someone gets the item you want just leave and wait till the others get more thats just messed up
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-31 13:11

  Quote from Osayidan;51280:

  Suicide Kings is based on there being an almost guaranteed chance that there will be loot on your raid. And often times enough to go around.
  
  In mabi it's all about luck, and tuesdays. So rather than cycling through people on the basis of them having got the loot, maybe cycle through them on the number of runs. common passes maybe give everyone 2 runs, rarer passes 1 run. Then it moves on to the next on the list for that same dungeon.

  
  
  WoW actually does guarantee a defined number of loot per boss kill. The only random part is which class-type is dropped. Another thing is that there are class restrictions on the loot, while Mabi only has race restrictions (and the majority of endgame players are human, making this even more iffy).
  
  I looked through a couple more of the loot systems and I have to say I like Relational DKP the best. It can easily be adapted into Mabi, and doesn't base anything off of "needs" but off of frequency of participation and loot grabbing. The price of items can be set by their worth in millions, while the DKP accumulation can be the long-term average profit per run.
• December wrote on 2010-05-31 13:15
  In the party I've been in anyway, the system always seems to be if your party is doing a dungeon without the intentions of getting that item, finders keeper
  
  But if its like doing Alby Int for 4 in search for an Adv Pass and the page drops, its usually split. I suppose its a matter of how valuable the item is, though I only ever go with friends so its not too hard to work out. When a person in the party does considerably more work than everyone else we tend to give them priority.
  
  @Zatrox, I suppose you could be 'buzy' in give them their item, that assumes the guild leader has it already. Oh and Zhelms can be unbinded using NX ^^;;
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-05-31 13:24

  Quote from December;51294:

  In the party I've been in anyway, the system always seems to be if your party is doing a dungeon without the intentions of getting that item, finders keeper
  
  But if its like doing Alby Int for 4 in search for an Adv Pass and the page drops, its usually split. I suppose its a matter of how valuable the item is, though I only ever go with friends so its not too hard to work out. When a person in the party does considerably more work than everyone else we tend to give them priority.
  
  @Zatrox, I suppose you could be 'buzy' in give them their item, that assumes the guild leader has it already. Oh and Zhelms can be unbinded using NX ^^;;

  
  
  Finders keeps = items <1m. Done and done.
  We're talking items of higher value here, such as Dustin Helms and Colin Plates, where a simple "finder's keepers" does not appropriately reward runners.
  
  Guild leader corruption -> People leave guild -> No guild + infamy. Not going to happen as far as I'm concerned.
  And I'm talking about when ZHelm was organized before that unbinding NX item was released :p
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-31 13:26
  it isnt Guild Leader corruption if you refuse to give someone items that didnt help to get them :o
  
  well the way I did it never made anyone mad/angry yet
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-31 13:39

  Quote from Syrphid;51202:

  I agree, I play casually and don't care that much about drops. However, your last statement begins Zatrox's thread. What to do when someone wants something?

  
  In a trusted group, whoever opens it is entitled to their share of luck.
  If they want to share their luck or not, it's perfectly up to them.
  I'm only saying that if it's me, I will share it unless the item is difficult to share (e.g. Viper enchant scroll isn't worth as much as a successful item and you need some investment into magical clothing to get it successfully enchanted, so it's not really easy to share).
  
  Anyway I believe the future exclusive-enchant-binding system is meant to keep some drops exclusive to people who get them.
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-05-31 13:43

  Quote from Yogurticecream;51306:

  In a trusted group, whoever opens it is entitled to their share of luck.
  If they want to share their luck or not, it's perfectly up to them.
  I'm only saying that if it's me, I will share it unless the item is difficult to share (e.g. Viper enchant scroll isn't worth as much as a successful item and you need some investment into magical clothing to get it successfully enchanted, so it's not really easy to share).
  
  Anyway I believe the future exclusive-enchant-binding system is meant to keep some drops exclusive to people who get them.

  
  
  Systems like these do not reward dungeon frequency; it really only works for a one-time casual run with a buddy list or something.
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-05-31 14:10
  If you track it on a per-dungeon basis rather than as a full guild list, you can assign points to individuals for that dungeon. Then if they are on a run that drops something they wanted, you either set them back to 0 for that dungeon, or remove X points, as if they were using the points to 'buy' the item. Maybe you can give out bonus points for providing the pass.
  
  
  So for example in a massive guild of 4 people. They want to run peaca basic for a dblade.
  
  Person 1 finds a pass, so +0.5 point. All 4 participate in the run, so +1 to all of them (assuming they all contributed equally to the run and no one AFKed for a whole floor or something).
  
  The next day person 2 managed to get 3 passes for peaca basic, he provides all 3 to the guild, so +1.5 to him. all but person 1 participated in the 3 runs.
  
  So after all that the points distribution is:
  P1: 1.5
  P2: 5.5
  P3: 4
  P4: 4
  
  On their next run, if P2 was in that run, he would have rights to the dblade if they find one. Then depending how the guild leader manages it, he's either set back to 0 for the peaca basic category, or loses X points based on the decided value of the dblade.
  
  That way not only encourages people to go on runs, but to hunt passes for the runs.
• Zatrox wrote on 2010-05-31 14:16

  Quote from Osayidan;51313:

  
  On their next run, if P2 was in that run, he would have rights to the dblade if they find one. Then depending how the guild leader manages it, he's either set back to 0 for the peaca basic category, or loses X points based on the decided value of the dblade.
  

  
  
  Would have to modify this idea for it to work.
  What if a player accrues, say, 15 points (even with 20% decay) and always attends runs, but on the ONE run he doesn't attend it drops?
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-31 14:28

  Quote from Osayidan;51313:

  If you track it on a per-dungeon basis rather than as a full guild list, you can assign points to individuals for that dungeon. Then if they are on a run that drops something they wanted, you either set them back to 0 for that dungeon, or remove X points, as if they were using the points to 'buy' the item. Maybe you can give out bonus points for providing the pass.

  
  
  But after they receive the item they want they might stop doing Peaca altogether. This is where a universal guild list is better than a dungeon specific one, people will be motivated to run dungeons that they don't want anything just so they can gain more favor for other dungeons where they do.
  
  A system that awards points based on the difficult of the dungeon, and subtracts points based on the value of the item seems the most balanced to me. It will keep members coming to runs, which is what most other methods can't do.
  
  ("Thanks for the free FB10, are we doing another run? ... Oh wait sorry, I have to go now, bye~")
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-31 14:33
  Wow. Everyone here doesn't trust a soul at all in their guilds.
  Needing an item and Wanting an item are two very different things.
  If you are a mage and "need" AR. Go to a different source.
  I'm talking about pages and skills.
  If we run a dungeon and clothing drops... It's an instant sell.
  I did this system for 1 year before one guild mate resented ME (This was a direct attack on me) to screw this system over.
  Still a good system if you trust your guildmates.
  
  Never realized everyone here was paranoid that people might be screwing you.
  You do know if they sell it behind your back that means they fail the system and trust...
  
  And the whole money is useless thing is my personal opinion from playing the game and amassing a mil a day doing dungeons and repairing without merchanting.
  
  
  All in all.
  Simply put my philosophy is: You got to give a little to get a little. Respect of your fellow guildmates is more important than money is it not?
  And if you REALLY need money then just PM me and ill just give you a quick mini-guide on how to make money without gacha or merchanting...
  
  
  And after careful reading of everyone's posts it seems everyone is talking about expensive items that are worth well over 5mil.
  My Answer to that? Sell them. Good god if i'm going to run a hellish dungeon with a large group and give away an equip when it can be sold and split evenly.
  I was under the impression it was pages and enchants.
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-31 14:49

  Quote from Aubog007;51322:

  Wow. Everyone here doesn't trust a soul at all in their guilds.
  
  Never realized everyone here was paranoid that people might be screwing you.
  You do know if they sell it behind your back that means they fail the system and trust...

  
  
  Guilds gain new members. Do you instantly trust this member?
  I also don't know the less active members very well. I'm sure all guilds with more than 15 or so people have had that situation where somebody asks "Hi are you new?" "No, I've been here a while. Lol."
  
  It's not just about stealing either. Everybody in the guild has something they need/want money for. Personally, I'm ranking enchant, trying to recover items I lost from the server chaos, and feeding my new ego. I need money for everything I'm currently doing in game, and if I don't want to spend months doing it then amassing 1mil a day doesn't cut it. I need as much gold as I can from the run, but I don't want to shaft the other people in my party.
  
  Selling and splitting evenly brings up the base questions again.
  Does everybody deserve an equal cut? Even if most of the work was handled by 1 or 2 people out of the entire 8? I sure as hell wouldn't be entirely happy with that.
  And what if we actually want the item worth 5mil+ and don't want to sell it? The point of dungeoning guilds is having people to run with so that you can get the best stuff, why run the dungeon and sell the item just so you can buy that same item later down the line? Having a system to distribute these things fairly can be extremely useful.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-05-31 14:58
  You know I trust my members and I luv em so edit it and make it say everyone except Fumy D:
  I make everyone that helps happy and don't just split up money wise :o Money isnt important anyway