Gun possession

• Phunkie wrote on 2011-07-25 02:29
  IMO, we need guns. Not just for human offenders, but sometimes when you live out in the woods and a dang bear threatens your family.
  
  But as for crimes, totally. We should have the right to bear arms to defend ourselves.
  
  Everybody shouldn't have a gun though. That'd just be chaos.
• Sariyassa wrote on 2011-07-25 02:44
  I really don't have an opinion on the matter, but regarding the reasons for owning a gun, I have no trouble looking at this and nodding (I'm not sure if that's a sad thing):
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/A4qBw.jpg]
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-07-25 04:03

  Quote from Kaeporo;525762:

  Osayidan has the right idea. If you lack a weapon you are at the mercy of your attacker. It is incredibly difficult to parry and disarm an attacker even if they're only wielding a knife. It's even harder if they're carrying a firearm. You're forced to hide or flee while they steal your crap or if you're caught somehow close the distance and deliver blunt force to their head.
  
  In almost any attack, simply showing that you have a weapon is enough to disuade your attacker from even trying to fight back. Most robbers find it better to flee that home and rob someone that's unarmed.
  
  If you live alone, keep a sidearm near your bed. If you have kids, keep it locked up in a gun cabinet in your bedroom. If you live in an area with a high crime rate secure all windows and doors. Don't just let someone kill you or your family.
  
  Trust me -if firearms were illegal- criminals would get their hands on them...and then you would have no way to protect yourself. I sure as hell don't want to have to depend on the police for my protection.

  
  
  Well since you did quote me in the begining of it.. I'll take it as if you are speaking to me and those "you" refer to me..
  In the end, I am in Quebec which has it's ban on firearm.. only hunters can have them and it isn't the usualy "easy to use all purpose" firearm nor is it easy to even get the permit.. I have to say I like to hear our news that involve fist, knife, bats, frypan, kitchen knife, acid, poison and whatnot as the ment of murder instead of firearms around here. Firearm using criminals aren't that common over here, most of the time they use instead brute force, knife or a lot just use stealth.. best to not get caught at all ^^;... but in return some people pick up their own knife and whatever they find in the house to defend themselves if they do happen to meet with some danger.
• Magenera wrote on 2011-07-25 21:05

  Quote from Chillax;524454:

  Knives require skill to actually kill someone while guns don't. Plus, most violent crimes are committed outside of the house.

  
  Sorry that is a BS statement. It takes skill for both to kill efficiently, even more so when facing an attacker. But it doesn't take much skill to kill with both.
• Chillax wrote on 2011-07-25 21:29

  Quote from Magenera;526525:

  Sorry that is a BS statement. It takes skill for both to kill efficiently, even more so when facing an attacker. But it doesn't take much skill to kill with both.

  
  
  You are going to ignore the fact that the attacker with a knife actually has to close the distance between him/herself and the victim, and that without the proper strength, even if the aim is correct, the knife won't completely go through the flesh and into the vitals?
  
  Granted, some people just don't know how to aim with a gun and can shoot a victim several times without killing him/her, but put it this way, do you think it would be easier for a little kid to kill a grown adult with a knife or a gun?
• Mentosftw wrote on 2011-07-25 21:55
  If everyone had a gun, wouldn't it be harder for robberys to take place knowing that everyone else around you has a gun?
• starpaw7 wrote on 2011-07-25 22:28
  Unless I forget something at this moment:
  
  Agree:
  -Protection
  -Hunting (at the legal times)
  -Zombie Apocalypse
  
  Disagree:
  -Murder (unless around the lines of Mercy-Kill)
  -Used to threaten for bad situation (such as stealing)
  -If irresponsible with the gun
  
  On a related note:
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/RV1jI.png]
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-07-25 23:14

  Quote from starpaw7;526615:

  Unless I forget something at this moment:
  
  Agree:
  -Protection
  -Hunting (at the legal times)
  -Zombie Apocalypse
  
  Disagree:
  -Murder (unless around the lines of Mercy-Kill)
  -Used to threaten for bad situation (such as stealing)
  -If irresponsible with the gun
  
  On a related note:
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/RV1jI.png]

  
  
  While I'll like to agree with those pictures..
  I don't really have any knowledge about how bullets are made but if they costed that much, I'm pretty sure peopel would try to manifacture them themselves for much much cheaper.
• Chillax wrote on 2011-07-26 02:12

  Quote from Mentosftw;526566:

  If everyone had a gun, wouldn't it be harder for robberys to take place knowing that everyone else around you has a gun?

  
  
  Or, you could use an alarm system.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-07-26 22:13

  Quote from Chillax;526852:

  Or, you could use an alarm system.

  
  
  Can't you have an alarm system and a gun?
• Chillax wrote on 2011-07-27 00:15

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;527845:

  Can't you have an alarm system and a gun?

  
  
  Why do you need both?
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-07-27 00:49

  Quote from Chillax;528008:

  Why do you need both?

  
  
  If the intruder is not afraid of alarms and the police don't arrive quickly enough, you are left with a last line of defense. Besides, you would normally have the element of surprise in this situation.
• Chillax wrote on 2011-07-27 02:24

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;528046:

  If the intruder is not afraid of alarms and the police don't arrive quickly enough, you are left with a last line of defense. Besides, you would normally have the element of surprise in this situation.

  
  
  If you have to wait for the burglar to threaten you in order to be able to lawfully retaliate, you don't get the element of surprise. If the burglar was intrepid enough to ignore the alarm, I'd be more scared of the burglar retaliating if I pulled a gun on him/her, and I value my life more than my possessions.
  
  If you're really paranoid, you can add this to your arsenal:
  
  [video=youtube;pF-xzHosGtc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF-xzHosGtc[/video]
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-07-27 02:37

  Quote from Chillax;528206:

  If you have to wait for the burglar to threaten you in order to be able to lawfully retaliate, you don't get the element of surprise. If the burglar was intrepid enough to ignore the alarm, I'd be more scared of the burglar retaliating if I pulled a gun on him/her, and I value my life more than my possessions.
  

  
  
  The fact that he broke into my house with the intention to steal things and/or kill me is a threat all by itself; thus I will at that point take the right to defend my property. Keep in mind that criminals are not immune to the threat of firearms and are just as susceptible to bullet wounds as ordinary folk are.
  
  Now truth be told, if the guy was just after my possessions, I would be hesitant about pulling a gun on him and risking my own life. But if the guy was trying to kill me/abduct me, then I would rather not find myself unarmed.
• Chillax wrote on 2011-07-27 03:36

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;528220:

  The fact that he broke into my house with the intention to steal things and/or kill me is a threat all by itself; thus I will at that point take the right to defend my property.

  
  
  Unless your state has the Castle Doctrine in place, you would probably be forced to pay reparations and be put in jail for shooting the burglar if no direct threat to your life was made.
  
  

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;528220:

  Keep in mind that criminals are not immune to the threat of firearms and are just as susceptible to bullet wounds as ordinary folk are.

  
  
  As I've said, you only have jail time and fines holding you back from shooting if there was no threat to your life.
  
  

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;528220:

  Now truth be told, if the guy was just after my possessions, I would be hesitant about pulling a gun on him and risking my own life. But if the guy was trying to kill me/abduct me, then I would rather not find myself unarmed.

  
  
  Do you really have the time or the ability to judge that in the heat of the moment? If the burglar also has a gun, he/she might panic and shoot you if the burglar sees you have a gun and are aiming it at him/her. Plus, if the person actually was trying to kill/abduct you, there's a good chance that that person is prepared, and that even a gun wouldn't be able to save you.