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Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-10-10 23:05
Quote from Spartaaaaa;614829:
lol not really... I can do boat 8 just fine with my +6 Holy Defender.
Soloing or in a party? If you are in a party, I'm going to wager you are being carried unless there is some screenshot proof. You'd barely be breaking 12k ATT with a +6 Defender (a +8 DW was only netting me 12.4K att), so it's bound to take you far longer to get through a mob than most others. You didn't mention enchants either, so you are basically scraping by with that thing...
Also, boat 8 includes Glas, and I'm quite sure 'just fine' there for a sword Fiona means 6th or 7th place in the charts (unless your team is horrible, then it might mean 1st place with a 45 minute run).
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MareneCorp wrote on 2011-10-10 23:26
Quote from OizenX;615192:
I prefer the control and feel of swords.
As you can see, it has pretty good results.
I also use swords. I just like the... speed? and agility/ swing of Dreamwalker swords (not to mention +10 gives some nice attack speed bonus), and its overall practicality in situations. Whereas I use my +3 braid tassels for the lower end boats (boat 1- boat 5).
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Mello wrote on 2011-10-11 02:30
Considering I can't complete a quest which lasts more than 15 minutes (Any of the newer quests, Glas, etc) nowadays, this game is going way down hill, other people are having the problem, nexon won't fix it, Vindictus was my favorite game of all time.
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xJac wrote on 2011-10-11 03:34
I am a Lann, and I pug raids. I have yet to be kicked out from a raid party.
I have no idea how you're getting kicked so many times.
+10 clean dw, sinister set (yes, sinister) with queen pants.
I do admit I am error prone and simply need a lot more practice to be good at.
Anyway, from my point of view, the game is going downhill, but not from the content or gameplay or even the balancing between classes, it's from the crappy management of Nexon. (Sever optimization that still glitch character from logging in, server overload which kick me off from game 5 times in a row... etc)
Even just look at our events. Has there been any holiday or special occasion related event? or any event that's not 2x exp/ap, extra core, or log in 1 hour? I don't know what the team is doing, but they are doing a really bad job comparing to last year.
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whocares8128 wrote on 2011-10-11 14:31
Quote from OizenX;615187:
Playing Lann isn't as hard as people think, they just need to realize on raids, he's better at doing a few hits, then running away. None of this spin2win DPS stuff.
Lookie what I did:
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1st place, using swords, outdamaged 3 staff evies, a karok, and a 3 other lanns.
Lann isn't as impossible as people claim, he's just a lot more challenging.
LOL OizenX
I'm guessing those 2 evie's with their face in the dirt spent the majority of the battle that way? Or did they not transform? Though I can't see the time taken, judging by the comments, it seems it took a while to finish. So, while I'm happy for your accomplishment, I doubt most Lanns would see that as an indication of balance.
As Gotejjeken said:
Quote from Gotejjeken;615196:
I'm quite sure 'just fine' [against Glas] for a sword Fiona means 6th or 7th place in the charts (unless your team is horrible, then it might mean 1st place with a 45 minute run).
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MareneCorp wrote on 2011-10-12 01:04
Quote from Mello;615523:
Considering I can't complete a quest which lasts more than 15 minutes (Any of the newer quests, Glas, etc) nowadays, this game is going way down hill, other people are having the problem, nexon won't fix it, Vindictus was my favorite game of all time.
I dunno... I can almost always complete a boat that lasts more than 15 minutes. Maybe it's just the stamina/patience you can spend on one thing at a given time.
@xJac: Sinister? O_o That's interesting. And I agree with the crappy management. And also notice how almost all these "holiday" events you need to spend Nx for. "Sexy, new Evie skull underarmor for Halloween, Sexy new Karok trunks for the summer, etc."
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Oizen wrote on 2011-10-12 05:51
Quote from whocares8128;615966:
LOL OizenX
I'm guessing those 2 evie's with their face in the dirt spent the majority of the battle that way? Or did they not transform? Though I can't see the time taken, judging by the comments, it seems it took a while to finish. So, while I'm happy for your accomplishment, I doubt most Lanns would see that as an indication of balance.
As Gotejjeken said:
Lolno.
This game is far from balanced.
All they really need to do for Lann is make when he messes up more forgiving. Like with Evie, I've noticed that the stam-less hop tends to get more then it should some time. Lann never seems to get that break, nor does he has the Manashield, which is pretty much 1h-ko prevention.
Lann is the hardest to play, and they need to figure out how to make him easier. They only way I can think of it is for him to recover small bits of HP when he attacks or something like that, but that just doesn't make sense. Other then that I have no idea how'd they would make lann easier.
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Invertex wrote on 2011-10-12 06:33
Quote from OizenX;617111:
Lolno.
This game is far from balanced.
All they really need to do for Lann is make when he messes up more forgiving. Like with Evie, I've noticed that the stam-less hop tends to get more then it should some time. Lann never seems to get that break, nor does he has the Manashield, which is pretty much 1h-ko prevention.
Lann is the hardest to play, and they need to figure out how to make him easier. They only way I can think of it is for him to recover small bits of HP when he attacks or something like that, but that just doesn't make sense. Other then that I have no idea how'd they would make lann easier.
I'm not exactly sure making Lann easier is the best way to balance him. It'd be the best way with the mindset of most of the community, but I'd rather just see some improved damage precentiles. We've already seen how much changing repeated Butterfly's perecentiles changed everyone's views on Hammer Fiona.
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Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-10-12 07:49
That's the thing too, hammer Fiona didn't need a buff. Prior to that sword and hammer were pretty equal, with hammer getting the edge in my book due to more damage for a safer play-style that doesn't revolve around a gimmick like HSC. The whole slowness of the hammer was the point, it had to have some downside (or so we thought).
I'd say sword Lann is fine with a slight damage buff, as they do really well everywhere with just slip dash. Spear Lann needs some sort of invincible frame on the roll and they are good to go. The mechanics are there, just some slight modifications are needed.
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Intimacy wrote on 2011-10-12 14:47
I'm happy for now getting top 3 on all of my daily raids and usually top 1-2 on thor and glas with a 6+ black hammer and only restoring enchant no zeal or anything else, when dragon hammer comes out i'll 6+ it again and continue on my happy little way.
If I do stop getting top 3 because I don't enchant my hammer or pay to get 10+ I don't really care.
It's a fun game and when I eventually do get first place for damage I can take pride in it~ That or my team suck, haha.
/ has spent 0 nx on vindi that includes inners for fashion.
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xJac wrote on 2011-10-12 16:02
Sword Lann has already received a buff, pummel storm is the buff. The whole LLRL combo combined deal more percentile than a GF (so you no longer need to spam DC in hoping to get a critical), plus it moves you very far, good for dodging attack as well. (Not mentioning the mastery increases more percentile, and you have 2 chances to critical strike and do GF)
I used sinister all the way since boat 5 just came out, fused it, and been using it ever since. It gives a lot ATT when 4 piece'd, and it's rather cheap, consider I already have it.
I am one of the person who does not believe in DEF btw. Unless you have enough DEF to ignore all boss hit, I don't think getting more DEF is doing me any good. Sure, I will more likely to survive that hit from Glas, but in the long run, I will develop a dependence on it, and not trying to improve my dodging skill.
If you played the game long enough, you will know people used to scoff at the idea of getting more DEF. The DEF tanking Lann only started when Raidhunter said you need DEF to tank Glas. But what most people is ignoring are the fact RH is extremely skilled, and he's only tanking DEF to solo Glas, not to survive Glas in a party.
Ever seen Mr.Papa's video of soloing red tyrant hard macha naked? That should be everyone's goal, not getting 8k+ DEF on your Lann.
If you want, try picking up a twin short sword, go in revenge hard macha naked (no earring/clothing etc), and compare yourself with the old you, see how well you do. (obviously no trans)
50% of the Lann out there will just get combo charged and die. 30%~40% will survive, but after a long 15min+ fight and potting. Only 20% or lower can manage to stick next to the bosses and dodging all the attack, maybe getting hit once or twice, but that's about it.
Everyone knows the saying "Lann is the hardest to master." But most people didn't take it to heart. If played by pro, Lann's definitely the best dps class out there. (Doesn't need to be pro, just skilled/good player can make it to top damage, if not first.)
If you're getting out damage'd by another class, then obviously you need more practice. Me, for example, played the game for a long time, and I believe I am still very noob, and not practicing hard enough (which is true, in some sense).
I would say, being able to solo Hero boat 5 (Hoarfrost Depth) is a sign of a good player. Being able to solo Hero boat 6 (Fomorian Base) is a sign of skilled player. And obviously being able to solo Hero raid boss place you in the Pro. Obviously your ATT should at least break boss DEF of that battle.
Buffing Lann will easily make good/skilled/pro way out of reach from other class, making you survive longer by more DEF won't solve the fact you're getting hit, and making dodging easier will simply make Lann the best solo class in the game (top damage and top speed with an easy dodge, not mentioning high damage from GF/LF/F7, berserker ATT bouns, and slashing high infinite stamina + super armor).
I used to think Lann is underpowered. But the more I play, and the more good/skilled players I meet (never met a pro, only seen them on video), I realized that I am only thinking Lann is underpowered because I have never really used him to full potential.
Have you ever seen raidhunter complain about Lann being underpowered? Have you ever seen Mr.Papa (back when he still plays) complains Lann being underpowered? Have you actually seen any of the skilled players (doesn't matter they play Lann or not) talk about Lann being underpowered?
Lann is not underpowered, he takes a lot skill to master, but that should be very well known when you picked the class, take it to your heart.
I can solo all of non raid hero boats up to Hoarfrost Depth and some hero boats in Hoarfrost Depth without trans, and I still think I have a long way to go, judging on how many more boats I can't solo.
Raidhunter's video should make it clear that you can solo any boss with Lann. Now, the question is, do you have what it takes?
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-10-12 16:11
I can solo all of hero boats up to Hollow Hoarfrost and some hero boats in Hollow Hoarfrost (non raids) without trans, and I still think I have a long way to go, judging on how many more boats I can't solo.
Considering how hollow hoarfrost is boat 2, you can only do perilous ruins on hero? "All of hero boats up to" seems to suggest you can do more than 1 boat lol.
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sakraycore wrote on 2011-10-12 16:35
I can solo all of hero boats up to Hollow Hoarfrost and some hero boats in Hollow Hoarfrost (non raids) without trans, and I still think I have a long way to go, judging on how many more boats I can't solo.
You can do weeping queen on hero?
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xJac wrote on 2011-10-12 16:46
non raids.
Raid wise the only hero mode I can do is is red tyrant, only counting raids that's not a joke.
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whocares8128 wrote on 2011-10-12 17:15
Quote from sakraycore;617308:
You can do weeping queen on hero?
Hoarfrost Hollow is only the second boat.