America is the land of the free!

• Chillax wrote on 2011-11-19 11:34

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665472:

  I see the reason behind that argument, but it's still very hypocrytical for US government to impose such harsh punishment for possession of other drugs. And frankly I don't see why legalize drugs (I don't do drug, alcohol, or cigarette, I just want to make a logic point) would do great damage to US as a whole. Tobacco business has been bringing money into US treasury for years and people who do these kind of things pretty much only harm themselves. If drugs only harm individual, it's in individual's rights to do whatever he/she wants with his/her body. US government is actually violating basic human rights by imposing criminal law onto citizens.

  
  
  Drugs and driving. I also hate being downwind of a smoker, especially when I can't move out of his/her way.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-19 11:49

  Quote from Chillax;665481:

  Drugs and driving. I also hate being downwind of a smoker, especially when I can't move out of his/her way.

  
  
  
  That's different, if someone operate machinary when under any kind of drug including alcohol is responsible for the action of doing the drug and operating machine.
• Chillax wrote on 2011-11-19 11:56

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665484:

  That's different, if someone operate machinary when under any kind of drug including alcohol is responsible for the action of doing the drug and operating machine.

  
  
  And that is why plenty of drugs aren't legalized, since some people can't control themselves and end up getting into accidents because their senses were impaired.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-19 16:11

  Quote from Chillax;665486:

  And that is why plenty of drugs aren't legalized, since some people can't control themselves and end up getting into accidents because their senses were impaired.

  
  
  
  Nah, think about it, what does the law for drug possession really do? Keep regular people like you and me away from it. Because I am pretty sure no matter how harsh the law, there will be smart dealers and sly buyers who will get away with this. It's like the lock on my door, can it stop seasoned thief with lockpicking experiance? no, not really, it's there to give normal people incentive to not try to steal from me. And that's what the drug law is about too, only US law slap people in the face when really a gentle touch will do the job. The harsh punishment serves little purpose.
• Oizen wrote on 2011-11-19 17:47
  But aren't politicians closing prisons they can line their pockets with gold...?
• Navy wrote on 2011-11-19 18:45

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665472:

  I see the reason behind that argument, but it's still very hypocrytical for US government to impose such harsh punishment for possession of other drugs. And frankly I don't see why legalize drugs (I don't do drug, alcohol, or cigarette, I just want to make a logic point) would do great damage to US as a whole. Tobacco business has been bringing money into US treasury for years and people who do these kind of things pretty much only harm themselves. If drugs only harm individual, it's in individual's rights to do whatever he/she wants with his/her body. US government is actually violating basic human rights by imposing criminal law onto citizens.

  
  
  But you see, that's what the problem is.
  We shouldn't be in control with our bodies
  let's take suicide as an example
  are you against suicide?
  "Well it's our body I should be able to do what I want with it"
  A lot of people disagree with that statement
  why? Because life is already short enough, and why should they let you die when you could have your whole life ahead of you?
  That's why every time I turn on the TV I see commercials giving reasons why you should quit smoking
  they can't force you to quit smoking, but they are going to try to convince you the best way possible.
  It's not hypocritical because it's preventing another thing from poisoning us.
  People will find ways to get it either way, but don't enable it for everyone else.
  
  ****, if we should be in control of our own bodies let's go ahead legalize every drug in existance
  whether it's xanax or meth
  it's their bodies right?
  
  
  funfact:
  Marijuana became illegal because a man by the name of William Randolph Hearst was jelly that hemp was killing his paper industry
• Cannibal wrote on 2011-11-19 19:01
  Hell, the government should just legalize every drug, clear out the prisons (that's more money in both our pockets and theirs), and then sell it themselves.
  
  Or, more ideally, put less of a restriction on them. Instead of making drugs an offence worth jail time, slap a ticket on anyone caught with them/selling them/buying them, and confiscate them.
  
  It really is useless for people who are in jail for NON-VIOLENT drug-related charges to be in there. They're going to find a way to do/buy/sell the drug anyway, why waste money keeping them locked up?
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-19 19:32

  Quote from Navy;665603:

  But you see, that's what the problem is.
  We shouldn't be in control with our bodies
  let's take suicide as an example
  are you against suicide?
  "Well it's our body I should be able to do what I want with it"
  A lot of people disagree with that statement
  why? Because life is already short enough, and why should they let you die when you could have your whole life ahead of you?
  That's why every time I turn on the TV I see commercials giving reasons why you should quit smoking
  they can't force you to quit smoking, but they are going to try to convince you the best way possible.
  It's not hypocritical because it's preventing another thing from poisoning us.
  People will find ways to get it either way, but don't enable it for everyone else.
  
  ****, if we should be in control of our own bodies let's go ahead legalize every drug in existance
  whether it's xanax or meth
  it's their bodies right?
  
  
  funfact:
  Marijuana became illegal because a man by the name of William Randolph Hearst was jelly that hemp was killing his paper industry

  
  
  
  They shouldn't but compare to waste 6 years of people's life, one seems to be the lesser evil than the other.
• Navy wrote on 2011-11-19 19:39

  Quote from Nexon;665618:

  Hell, the government should just legalize every drug, clear out the prisons (that's more money in both our pockets and theirs), and then sell it themselves.
  
  Or, more ideally, put less of a restriction on them. Instead of making drugs an offence worth jail time, slap a ticket on anyone caught with them/selling them/buying them, and confiscate them.
  
  It really is useless for people who are in jail for NON-VIOLENT drug-related charges to be in there. They're going to find a way to do/buy/sell the drug anyway, why waste money keeping them locked up?

  
  Well, my cousin was in jail for possession of marijuana and is a full on drug addict
  he has a buttload of cash so any fee he gets he could easily pay and go on with his marry way, but is this helping? No, not at all.
  He's not violent, but he has a problem, and after spending 6months in jail he got his life together and kicked drugs and is now on house arrest to finish his sentence
  it's not that he can't get it
  because he could
  but they're not learning a god damn thing by just paying a fine
  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665639:

  They shouldn't but compare to waste 6 years of people's life, one seems to be the lesser evil than the other.

  
  
  6 years isn't ****, 10+ years I would agree
  she knew she was breaking the law thus it was her fault
  she deserved her sentence
  
  "THE GOVERNMENT IS CRUEL BUT I CHOSE TO BREAK THE LAW"
• MareneCorp wrote on 2011-11-19 19:47

  Quote from Navy;665643:

  Well, my cousin was in jail for possession of marijuana and is a full on drug addict
  he has a buttload of cash so any fee he gets he could easily pay and go on with his marry way, but is this helping? No, not at all.
  He's not violent, but he has a problem, and after spending 6months in jail he got his life together and kicked drugs and is now on house arrest to finish his sentence
  it's not that he can't get it
  because he could
  but they're not learning a god damn thing by just paying a fine
  

  
  
  But jails and prisons aren't exactly the greatest places to get your head in focus, you can get involved in gang activities, jailbreaks, all kinds of things that can screw up your life even more. Solitary confinement might make one insane, but it seems the safer choice if one does not want to end up dead before finishing their sentence.
• Navy wrote on 2011-11-19 19:48

  Quote from MareneCorp;665649:

  But jails and prisons aren't exactly the greatest places to get your head in focus, you can get involved in gang activities, jailbreaks, all kinds of things that can screw up your life even more. Solitary confinement might make one insane, but it seems the safer choice if one does not want to end up dead before finishing their sentence.

  
  
  Well then that's their fault for not taking their mistake and fixing it so it doesn't happen again.
  
  "Gang activity once you get out?
  Go ahead do something illegal again, when you get caught, which you will, you now have a record so your sentence will be longer"
  
  Instead of focusing on junkie scum let's focus on a whole different people.
  Let's say you have children one day, like any parent, you don't want them getting into drugs and alcohol
  but let's say they're now making it legal for anyone 18+ to buy it
  well the second your kids turn 18 do you want that option to be available to them, they're no longer a child you can instruct what to do anymore, they can do whatever they want if they choose to.
  But wouldn't it be better if it weren't there at all?
  
  If we enable people who use drugs by going easy on them the next thing you know when you go into a coffee shop you'll accidentally be shot gunning someone's blunt
  more drugs will become legal and then what do we learn? absolutely nothing
  we're making the same mistakes we made with cigs and alcohol
  by allowing it
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-19 20:08
  I hear men rape each other in there... Not a good place to be.
• Navy wrote on 2011-11-19 20:12

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665661:

  I hear men rape each other in there... Not a good place to be.

  
  
  They do.
  And good, you break the law you get sent to a place with criminals like you
  whether it's rapists, murders, and/or everyone else that didn't give a **** about our laws
  
  "GOOD LUCK HOPE YOU LEARN YOUR LESSON"
• Chillax wrote on 2011-11-19 21:04

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665521:

  Nah, think about it, what does the law for drug possession really do? Keep regular people like you and me away from it. Because I am pretty sure no matter how harsh the law, there will be smart dealers and sly buyers who will get away with this.

  
  
  You make it sound like regular people always exercise their better judgement. They don't, or the frequency of drunk-driving accidents wouldn't be as high as it is. I got hit by a drunk-driver, and he was a regular working-class guy. I also went to a college party the other day where some people had to drive back to their apartments, yet they still drank plenty of vodka and beer that were obtained legally. This is what laws prohibiting drugs are trying to prevent: average Joes legally obtaining drugs and acting unsafely after consumption.
  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665521:

  It's like the lock on my door, can it stop seasoned thief with lockpicking experiance? no, not really, it's there to give normal people incentive to not try to steal from me.

  
  
  The frequency you'll run into a seasoned thief with lockpicking experience is much lower compared to the frequency you'll an inexperienced thief. I haven't had any seasoned thieves as of yet try to burglarize my house, but I've had a few inexperienced thieves attempt to force the door open only to be deterred by the lock. The lock held them off long enough for me to yell at them, and they backed down and left.
  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;665521:

  And that's what the drug law is about too, only US law slap people in the face when really a gentle touch will do the job. The harsh punishment serves little purpose.

  
  
  What's going to deter someone more: a harsh punishment or soft penalties?
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-19 23:54

  Quote from Navy;665662:

  They do.
  And good, you break the law you get sent to a place with criminals like you
  whether it's rapists, murders, and/or everyone else that didn't give a **** about our laws
  
  "GOOD LUCK HOPE YOU LEARN YOUR LESSON"

  
  
  Prison sentence doesn't only serve as a mean to punish people, but also better themselves. I think you are leaning too much on the punishment aspect. I don't see how getting man raped will make the victim a better man...
  
  
  Well I guess you could argue it serves as a very cruel warning to prevent further crimes, but I think drug nature crime may be an unique case due to the addictive nature of drugs.