Girl Scout Troops Disbands Over Admission of Transgender Child

• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 18:14

  Quote from Chiyuri;707108:

  If basic biology was all that mattered in the world, just go rape some girls to reproduce yourself as much as you can....
  
  Anyway.. go get a master degree in psychology then comeback to complain to us about how that person is "delusional".. Maybe the world will agree with you more on that matter.

  
  
  Just because rape is wrong does not mean that people who are born as males magically "become" females just because they feel like it. The same way a platypus is never going to be a giraffe no matter how much is feels like a giraffe. If I'm not allowed to call him delusional, then what am I supposed to call it? What else could it possibly be? If I said that dogs are actually cats, you would write me off as delusional, yet when a boy thinks that he's a girl, and I say that he's delusional, then I'm wrong?
• Taycat wrote on 2011-12-26 18:22

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707118:

  Just because rape is wrong does not mean that people who are born as males magically "become" females just because they feel like it. The same way a platypus is never going to be a giraffe no matter how much is feels like a giraffe. If I'm not allowed to call him delusional, then what am I supposed to call it? What else could it possibly be? If I said that dogs are actually cats, you would write me off as delusional, yet when a boy thinks that he's a girl, and I say that he's delusional, then I'm wrong?

  
  
  Have you ever heard of people that raise their children as boys or as girls? Have you ever heard of parents raising their children with no preference to gender? Besides, children love to experiment with things. This boy is simply doing this because he wants to. He's not doing it because he's misguided or delusional. He is, in face, quite aware that what he's doing can be seen as wrong. But tell me, are you thinking ethically in the sense of the child's preference or are you thinking in your own preference? I also wonder what your stance on female-to-male transgender's are. I am quite intrigued.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 18:35

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707118:

  Just because rape is wrong does not mean that people who are born as males magically "become" females just because they feel like it. The same way a platypus is never going to be a giraffe no matter how much is feels like a giraffe. If I'm not allowed to call him delusional, then what am I supposed to call it? What else could it possibly be? If I said that dogs are actually cats, you would write me off as delusional, yet when a boy thinks that he's a girl, and I say that he's delusional, then I'm wrong?

  
  
  Here is an easy way to explain it for you.
  
  Sex =/= Gender.
  
  
  While sex may affect the development of Gender, many things other than that can affect it. That a person is born of a sex doesn't mean this person will automatically develop the gender related to that sex. One thing is sure through.. Once the mind choose a path for Gender development, it is really hard to impossible in most case to rectify the path. Forcing the path to be rectified in those case will usually cause mental breakdown and WILL lead to the suicide of the individual.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 18:35

  Quote from Mythical Detective Loki;707128:

  Have you ever heard of people that raise their children as boys or as girls? Have you ever heard of parents raising their children with no preference to gender? Besides, children love to experiment with things. This boy is simply doing this because he wants to. He's not doing it because he's misguided or delusional. He is, in face, quite aware that what he's doing can be seen as wrong. But tell me, are you thinking ethically in the sense of the child's preference or are you thinking in your own preference? I also wonder what your stance on female-to-male transgender's are. I am quite intrigued.

  
  
  The kid can do whatever the crap he wants as long as he's not infringing on the person and property of others. But don't expect me to feel sorry for him if people rightfully look down on his admission into the girl scouts. Besides, parents who do not properly establish gender identity in the minds of their children are bad parents who enjoy causing confusion. Either that, or they actually think that there is no difference between males and females.
• Akemii wrote on 2011-12-26 18:38
  It's pointless to argue with Sparta. He's the delusional one.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 18:40

  Quote from Akemii;707146:

  It's pointless to argue with Sparta. He's the delusional one.

  
  
  I also agree with you.
  But it just annoy me to abandon a thread and leave him with a feeling of "I won"...
• Taycat wrote on 2011-12-26 18:41

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707143:

  The kid can do whatever the crap he wants as long as he's not infringing on the person and property of others. But don't expect me to feel sorry for him if people rightfully look down on his admission into the girl scouts. Besides, parents who do not properly establish gender identity in the minds of their children are bad parents who enjoy causing confusion. Either that, or they actually think that there is no difference between males and females.

  
  
  In fact, there actually isn't. Essentially, a man is just a woman with a mutated chromosome.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 19:08

  Quote from Akemii;707146:

  It's pointless to argue with Sparta. He's the delusional one.

  
  
  [S]Indeed, arguing with an ancient Greek city is definitely not going to work![/S]
  
  So explain to me why it's not delusional for a boy to think that he's a girl.
  
  

  Quote from Mythical Detective Loki;707152:

  In fact, there actually isn't. Essentially, a man is just a woman with a mutated chromosome.

  
  
  Even if that were the case, having a "mutated" chromosome still constitutes a difference. Would you say that people with sickle cell anemia are no different than ordinary people because it's "just a mutation"?
• Sayoko wrote on 2011-12-26 22:36
  I think I'm a dolphin born in a human body. Will they let me live in an aquarium in Sea World? If not, that's just discriminatory.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 22:39

  Quote from Sayoko;707439:

  I think I'm a dolphin born in a human body. Will they let me live in an aquarium in Sea World? If not, that's just discriminatory.

  
  
  I don't think a dolphin would want to live in an aquarium. But if you really want to, you can go swim in the sea all you want.
• Sayoko wrote on 2011-12-26 22:40

  Quote from Chiyuri;707444:

  I don't think a dolphin would want to live in an aquarium. But if you really want to, you can go swim in the sea all you want.

  
  
  The question is would Sea World hire me as a working dolphin just because I think I'm one?
  
  

  Quote from Akemii;707146:

  It's pointless to argue with Sparta. He's the delusional one.

  
  
  I beg to differ:
  
  A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence. Unlike hallucinations, delusions are always pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, poor memory, illusion, or other effects of perception
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 22:44

  Quote from Sayoko;707447:

  The question is would Sea World hire me as a working dolphin just because I think I'm one?
  

  
  
  Sea World hire dolphin? I really wonder how it work...
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 23:05

  Quote from Chiyuri;707456:

  Sea World hire dolphin? I really wonder how it work...

  
  
  But you're just dodging the point. Would a person who thinks he's a dolphin be allowed to perform as a dolphin?
  
  Philosophical question: If I think that I'm a dinosaur, would that mean that dinosaurs are not extinct.
  
  Or how about this, would a man who thinks himself to be a woman be able to perform in the women's events in the Olympics?
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 23:21

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707480:

  But you're just dodging the point. Would a person who thinks he's a dolphin be allowed to perform as a dolphin?
  
  Philosophical question: If I think that I'm a dinosaur, would that mean that dinosaurs are not extinct.
  
  Or how about this, would a man who thinks himself to be a woman be able to perform in the women's events in the Olympics?

  
  
  True, I am indeed dodging a dumb question. But since you so insist I'ma have to clarify something for both of you. There is a pretty big difference inbetween "Think" and "Are". From the post you've made so far, it seem like you think those transgender people only "think" they are what they claim to be. In reality, it was already proven that Gender and sex aren't necessarily always in harmony and that your sex doesn't make your gender. It is beyond the point of thinking you are something, You are that. Even brainwave were recorded to function as those of the gender they claim to be (well those that were tested. dunno about those that weren't tested)
  
  As for the dolphin question. If you can modify your body enough to the point people will think you are a dolphin, I don't really see the harm.
  
  For dino... dinosaurs were quite probably not self-aware, so you are kinda disproving your claim by saying you think you are a dinosaur...
  
  Anyway, as for the Olympic question. Even a fully biological woman isn't alowed to participate in the Olympic if she take hormones that could develop her muscle more than they normaly should be for a female. Male to female will still retain some of their past strengh they had from purberty which is considered cheating. But. It seem if the person took hormonal treatment when a kid and never had a male purberty, they are alowed to participate in the Olympic in the female events..
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 23:29

  Quote from Chiyuri;707503:

  True, I am indeed dodging a dumb question. But since you so insist I'ma have to clarify something for both of you. There is a pretty big difference inbetween "Think" and "Are". From the post you've made so far, it seem like you think those transgender people only "think" they are what they claim to be. In reality, it was already proven that Gender and sex aren't necessarily always in harmony and that your sex doesn't make your gender. It is beyond the point of thinking you are something, You are that. Even brainwave were recorded to function as those of the gender they claim to be (well those that were tested. dunno about those that weren't tested)

  
  
  If you are biologically a male, then that means that you are a male regardless of how the "brainwaves were recorded to function". Brain function can easily be manipulated through drugs or radiation, and does not depend on what your "gender" is.
  
  

  For dino... dinosaurs were quite probably not self-aware, so you are kinda disproving your claim by saying you think you are a dinosaur...

  
  
  How do you know that dinosaurs were not self aware? If I really believe that I am a dinosaur, then shouldn't society accept me as a dinosaur and declare that dinosaurs are not really extinct?
  
  

  Anyway, as for the Olympic question. Even a fully biological woman isn't alowed to participate in the Olympic if she take hormones that could develop her muscle more than they normaly should be for a female. Male to female will still retain some of their past strengh they had from purberty which is considered cheating. But. It seem if the person took hormonal treatment when a kid and never had a male purberty, they are alowed to participate in the Olympic in the female events..

  
  
  If strength was the only issue, then shouldn't a man with the same strength as a woman be able to compete in the women's events?