Girl Scout Troops Disbands Over Admission of Transgender Child

• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-27 08:46

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;708267:

  because he's trying to make an argument out of this
  and this
  

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  because we know better

  
  
  If you mean us tolerating him, it's not really tolerance, it's just letting him get away with transphobia.
  
  There's a difference between respecting someone's beliefs and letting someone hate on people without punishment. (especially since we have at-least 2 trans members) If he were being homophobic or racist, I bet a lot of you wouldn't be so "tolerate".
• Hiccup wrote on 2011-12-27 08:48

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707622:

  Agreed. They should not have stepped down. Instead, they should have just shunned him from the group.

  
  Wrong. They have every right, based on the GSA statement, to include her as a GSA member. The Scout Masters were discriminating. Plain and simple. If I really need to discuss how they were discriminating and why it's wrong, I wont. It's plainly obvious and quite logical. Surely, you must know that.
  

  Quote from Cynic;707848:

  How on earth are you not banned yet, Sparta. Or better yet, in a mental institution. You poor deluded little thing.

  
  
  He sparks debates, with some intellectual conversations. Everybody can/will ****ing hate em, but it won't get em banned. Dunno why he sticks around though...
• Ithiliel wrote on 2011-12-27 08:57

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707622:

  Agreed. They should not have stepped down. Instead, they should have just shunned him from the group.

  
  
  Really? You really think people should shun others because the other person doesn't share the same beliefs or mindset? I hope you never have children, you have far too warped of a mindset if you think it is ok to teach children to shun others that are different from them.
  
  I wish you would stop and actually try and see the other side of the argument, Spartaaaa. It would make me actually respect your posts more. Half the time I don't think you even read what anyone else says if it goes against your beliefs.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-12-27 09:01
  Actually Ithi
  you worded it better owo
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 12:14

  Quote from Cynic;707848:

  How on earth are you not banned yet, Sparta. Or better yet, in a mental institution. You poor deluded little thing.

  
  
  I'm sorry if I'm not banned for disagreeing with you.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-12-28 05:40

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;708419:

  I'm sorry if I'm not banned for disagreeing with you.

  
  
  it's not for disagreeing
  it's for creating an argument over "nothing" when there is already a final decision by the organization as a whole
• Hiccup wrote on 2011-12-28 05:43

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;709475:

  it's not for disagreeing
  it's for creating an argument over "nothing" when there is already a final decision by the organization as a whole

  
  
  I hardly rep you. But you shall get my rep.
  
  *pets*
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2011-12-28 13:58
  For once I actually disagree with Spartaa. I can't really call myself too much of a Christian as I haven't really practiced my faith in years. But that's beside the point.
  
  Gender and Sex have two completely different meanings. I'd like you to share with us Spartaa which dictionary you have been looking at that says Gender and Sex is interchangeable.
  
  

  
  Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
  
  Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine.
  

  
  
  http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html
  
  In short, Sex is biological, while gender is physiological and is dependent upon the society in which the person is apart of. There are many terms and definitions for this around the world. I highly suggest you take some classes on Anthropology. That's where I learned and opened my eyes to this kind of thing.
  
  Previous to that class I probably would have been just like you when I still held on to my religion. Obviously, since I've graduated from college, my conviction of religion has dropped considerably. But, that's another topic entirely.
  
  As for the leaders stepping down and disbanding, they are just insensitive and ignorant people that are better off not being leaders anyways. They need to learn more tolerance. As long as nothing sexual goes on, I'm sure it'll be fine.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-28 14:27

  Quote from Kingofrunes;709991:

  For once I actually disagree with Spartaa. I can't really call myself too much of a Christian as I haven't really practiced my faith in years. But that's beside the point.
  
  Gender and Sex have two completely different meanings. I'd like you to share with us Spartaa which dictionary you have been looking at that says Gender and Sex is interchangeable.
  
  
  
  http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html
  
  In short, Sex is biological, while gender is physiological and is dependent upon the society in which the person is apart of. There are many terms and definitions for this around the world. I highly suggest you take some classes on Anthropology. That's where I learned and opened my eyes to this kind of thing.
  
  Previous to that class I probably would have been just like you when I still held on to my religion. Obviously, since I've graduated from college, my conviction of religion has dropped considerably. But, that's another topic entirely.
  
  As for the leaders stepping down and disbanding, they are just insensitive and ignorant people that are better off not being leaders anyways. They need to learn more tolerance. As long as nothing sexual goes on, I'm sure it'll be fine.

  
  
  Not to mention, among many other things, it has been proven that transgender people share the same brain type as their non-biological sex;
  
  i.e. I most likely have the brain of a biological male, despite being born a biological female.
  
  Biology does make mistakes. It's a fact, not an opinion.
  
  
  
  While I am still pretty pissed at some of the major ignorance here (and the fact it creates an unfriendly environment for trans people), I'm glad someone gets it.
  I really don't care if you support transgender people, but it's a fact that we exist and that it's not some mental condition. Denying that just makes you an ignorant, stupid little cretin. I won't force you all to research it, but if you're going to be ignorant about it? At-least get yer facts straight. THEN I will respect your opinion on whether you not you support us. Otherwise? Don't expect me to "tolerate" you, when you clearly don't deserve the same.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-12-28 14:58

  Quote from Cynic;710008:

  Not to mention, among many other things, it has been proven that transgender people share the same brain type as their non-biological sex;

  
  OMG, papers now please!
  

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707622:

  Agreed. They should not have stepped down. Instead, they should have just shunned him from the group.

  
  I always thought the whole idea of liberty was about live and let live, instead of live and let suffer if not fitting the definition (because that's kind of the opposite, innit).
• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-28 15:15

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;710020:

  OMG, papers now please!
  
  I always thought the whole idea of liberty was about live and let live, instead of live and let suffer if not fitting the definition (because that's kind of the opposite, innit).

  
  
  There are a few different articles, but here are the ones I've seen;
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism#Brain_structure
  
  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
  
  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/01/26/scans-show-difference-in-transgender-brains/
• Ithiliel wrote on 2011-12-28 20:27
  I was totally ignored, I don't know why I'm surprised. I really shouldn't be, but I guess I had hopes that Spartaaaaa would read everything...and not just pick someone to argue with. At least the Cat read my post and understood it.
• Akemii wrote on 2011-12-28 20:30

  Quote from Lilith;710353:

  I was totally ignored, I don't know why I'm surprised. I really shouldn't be, but I guess I had hopes that Spartaaaaa would read everything...and not just pick someone to argue with. At least the Cat read my post and understood it.

  
  
  <3 Don't worry baby. You have my support in this.
• Taycat wrote on 2011-12-29 13:52

  Quote from Lilith;710353:

  I was totally ignored, I don't know why I'm surprised. I really shouldn't be, but I guess I had hopes that Spartaaaaa would read everything...and not just pick someone to argue with. At least the Cat read my post and understood it.

  
  
  I read your post too. I agree with you.
  +rep
• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-29 13:59

  Quote from Lilith;710353:

  I was totally ignored, I don't know why I'm surprised. I really shouldn't be, but I guess I had hopes that Spartaaaaa would read everything...and not just pick someone to argue with. At least the Cat read my post and understood it.

  
  
  It's pretty clear that he is the type who refuses anything that goes along with his supposed logic. He probably won't even bother reading the articles I posted and continue on slandering transsexuals because he's too deluded and/or closed-minded to face the facts.
  
  So don't worry, bby gurl. <3