Girl Scout Troops Disbands Over Admission of Transgender Child

• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 23:46

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707509:

  If you are biologically a male, then that means that you are a male regardless of how the "brainwaves were recorded to function". Brain function can easily be manipulated through drugs or radiation, and does not depend on what your "gender" is.

  
  
  That just show how little of the world you know. As I said before, go get some knowledge in psychology first... Then we can talk(through if you really do, there will probably be nothing to talk of anymore).
  
  
  
  

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  How do you know that dinosaurs were not self aware? If I really believe that I am a dinosaur, then shouldn't society accept me as a dinosaur and declare that dinosaurs are not really extinct?

  
  
  I never wrote that I knew. I am basing my argument mearly on a probability since I lack the means and knowledge to ascertain if that probability is right or not. If they were really Self-aware, it's very likely they would have invented society and made stuff instead of just hunting and living, just some logic based on the understanding of what Self-Awareness is and lead to.
  
  
  
  

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  If strength was the only issue, then shouldn't a man with the same strength as a woman be able to compete in the women's events?

  
  The "strengh" itself isn't the issue. Because otherwise some woman would be Forced(as long as they really want to take part of Olympic) to participate in male event, the opposite for some guys.
  It's really how gifted you were biologically and how much you could make out of it that matter. Since males and female were physically gifted differently, they were separated into two category(that and the moral standard and such of the time which has evolved with time and era...)
  Your body has to develop as a typical male or a typical female to be part of the Olympic so if you end up developing as both, careless of the situation, you can't participate in Neither of the category. Of course, that's the moral of it. People can hide stuff and get in and all. There will always be some who get away at cheating.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 00:11
  Your emphasis on psychology rather than biology shows that being gender confused is what goes on in someone's head and not whether or not they're actually male or female. If I need a masters degree in psychology before I can even say whether someone is male or female... lol.
• Sayoko wrote on 2011-12-27 00:14
  lol psychology. My ID is taking over my superego. What now?
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-27 00:15

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707545:

  Your emphasis on psychology rather than biology shows that being gender confused is what goes on in someone's head and not whether or not they're actually male or female. If I need a masters degree in psychology before I can even say whether someone is male or female... lol.

  
  
  Well if you insist on physical stuff, the brain is physicaly the gender those people claim to be(in most case..) I talekd about the brainwaves already. The brain in a physical way function like the opposite sex of the body.
  
  And yes "Lol" You can't seem to understand the basic of human so you have to go learn about it some more.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 00:37

  Quote from Chiyuri;707548:

  Well if you insist on physical stuff, the brain is physicaly the gender those people claim to be(in most case..) I talekd about the brainwaves already. The brain in a physical way function like the opposite sex of the body.
  
  And yes "Lol" You can't seem to understand the basic of human so you have to go learn about it some more.

  
  
  How your brain functions does not determine your gender. Just because a male has the mindset typically attributed to females does not mean that he is actually a female. It has more to do with upbringing than it does with what gender you are. Just because your brain waves look different also has nothing to do with gender. Differences between males and female brains are generalizations and tendencies, and are by no means the definitive factor when judging whether or not someone is male or female.
• Taycat wrote on 2011-12-27 00:37

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707545:

  Your emphasis on psychology rather than biology shows that being gender confused is what goes on in someone's head and not whether or not they're actually male or female. If I need a masters degree in psychology before I can even say whether someone is male or female... lol.

  
  
  I have basic high school knowledge of Psychology and I understand what's going on.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 00:48

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  I have basic high school knowledge of Psychology and I understand what's going on.

  
  
  The problem is that psychology is not the first thing you use to determine gender (in fact, I wouldn't use it at all). When a doctor delivers a baby and determines the gender, he's not measuring the brain waves coming from the baby, because there is already a much easier way to determine gender.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-27 00:53

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707559:

  How your brain functions does not determine your gender. Just because a male has the mindset typically attributed to females does not mean that he is actually a female. It has more to do with upbringing than it does with what gender you are. Just because your brain waves look different also has nothing to do with gender. Differences between males and female brains are generalizations and tendencies, and are by no means the definitive factor when judging whether or not someone is male or female.

  
  
  There is a story about that. A baby born male but ended up losing it's manhood before it was self-aware. So the family raised the baby as a girl. Yet everything the kid did was male oriented despite all the effort of the doctor and family to correct it.. In the end, the person took male hormones when he was older and lived as a guy instead. The only answer they could find was that his mind was wired like that of a guy, it couldn't be rewired to be a girl despite the effort of the surrounding.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-27 00:54

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;707567:

  The problem is that psychology is not the first thing you use to determine gender (in fact, I wouldn't use it at all). When a doctor delivers a baby and determines the gender, he's not measuring the brain waves coming from the baby, because there is already a much easier way to determine gender.

  
  
  The doctor determinate the Sex of the person, not their gender.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 00:59

  Quote from Chiyuri;707579:

  There is a story about that. A baby born male but ended up losing it's manhood before it was self-aware. So the family raised the baby as a girl. Yet everything the kid did was male oriented despite all the effort of the doctor and family to correct it.. In the end, the person took male hormones when he was older and lived as a guy instead. The only answer they could find was that his mind was wired like that of a guy, it couldn't be rewired to be a girl despite the effort of the surrounding.

  
  
  Not sure what you mean by "losing it's manhood" (though I have an idea...). The point is that it was born a male, so of course his brain is going to be like what the brain of a typical male is like. But even if a male's brain is more like a typical female brain than it is a male brain, that still does not mean that he's a female. Besides, chemicals like BPA and other endocrine disruptors can mess up brain function and development and cause gender confusion. And like I said, no doctor will resort to using brain waves to figure out whether a new born baby is male or female.
  
  

  Quote from Chiyuri;707580:

  The doctor determinate the Sex of the person, not their gender.

  
  
  Find a dictionary and look up "gender". It will tell you that "sex" and "gender" are interchangeable terms.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-12-27 01:16

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  So why wouldn't it make sense for the girl scouts to not want to admit someone who's clearly not a girl?

  
  Even if that might be so, it still doesn't justify stepping down and abandoning your fellow scouts just because you're a selfish crybaby who puts their own will over the group. I don't think betrayal is a virtue amongst Scouts, or Christians to begin with, or to be a tad bit more general, humans at all.
  
  
  At least not amongst sensible ones.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-27 01:27

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  Even if that might be so, it still doesn't justify stepping down and abandoning your fellow scouts just because you're a selfish crybaby who puts their own will over the group. I don't think betrayal is a virtue amongst Scouts, or Christians to begin with, or to be a tad bit more general, humans at all.
  
  
  At least not amongst sensible ones.

  
  
  Agreed. They should not have stepped down. Instead, they should have just shunned him from the group.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-12-27 02:43
  This thread is ridiculous. At least try to understand the other person's point of view without directly attacking them.
  
  1. Child is physically a boy. (Reject member)
  2. Child is mentally a girl. (Accept member)
  3. Accepting the child would increase tension from those who prioritize bullet #1.
  4. Rejecting the child would increase tension from those who prioritize bullet #2.
  
  I don't give a damn about the difference between a person's sex/gender nor have I been placed in a position where knowledge of the two terms would matter. I'm going to try my best to judge them based on their merit and capability. Obviously, that difference matters a little more to an organization which practices legal sexual discrimination.
  
  This is their current stance on the issue.
  
  

  As a private organization, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. respects the values and beliefs of each of its members and does not intrude into personal matters. Therefore, there are no membership policies on sexual preference. However, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. has firm standards relating to the appropriate conduct of adult volunteers and staff. The Girl Scout organization does not condone or permit sexual displays of any sort by its members during Girl Scout activities, nor does it permit the advocacy or promotion of a personal lifestyle or sexual preference. These are private matters for girls and their families to address.

  
  
  

  GSUSA upholds a "don't ask, don't evangelize" policy on sexuality.[62] The debate over this issue is split between those who feel that the policy should avoid and prevent discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, and those who question the inclusion of homosexuals.
  
  In October 2011, the Girl Scouts of Colorado council publicly stated, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout," when overturning a local troop's rejection of a transgender 7-year-old child.

  
  
  Sounds fair enough to me.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-27 03:59
  How on earth are you not banned yet, Sparta. Or better yet, in a mental institution. You poor deluded little thing.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-12-27 08:39

  Quote from Cynic;707848:

  How on earth are you not banned yet, Sparta. Or better yet, in a mental institution. You poor deluded little thing.

  
  
  because he's trying to make an argument out of this
  and this
  

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  because we know better