Can you argue/debate with people but still get along?

• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-01-02 02:41
  I learned to debate on a Fire Emblem forum, and now I can't stop. Debating is so damn fun! It's just that, some people can't recognize debating from arguing or whining.
• Juno wrote on 2012-01-02 03:36
  It's very possible, even if you disagree about everything.
  
  The trick is that both people's goal should be discovering the truth of the matter or, if it's an opinion bit, explaining their views and understanding the views of the other. Both people also need to be respectful...regardless of how dense the other might sound.
  
  I can debate about almost anything, it seems. I spent a lot of time in a religious debates section on an anime forum...several years in fact. The participants ranged all over the spectrum but suffice to say I had to hit the library and learn a bit of hebrew just to make a point.
  
  

  I don't intend to start a debate and hijack the thread, it's just that I think the issue with people using religion in debates is that they're following a faith that is not their own. They allow someone else to define for them what is right and wrong.
  

  
  
  I agree with you, though, it irks me that people assume that I just swallow whatever I'm spoonfed. There are some religious people that have done their homework.
• Zeo wrote on 2012-01-02 03:46
  Yes. I debate with few of my online friends, and we still get along very well.
  
  However... I do have problems with people who try to debate with you but in a rude way.
• Fracture wrote on 2012-01-02 06:10

  Quote from Juno;717576:

  I agree with you, though, it irks me that people assume that I just swallow whatever I'm spoonfed. There are some religious people that have done their homework.

  
  
  Oh, I understand that. What I'm saying is that there is a fundamental flaw with accepting anything you're told about the metaphysical. Again, my opinion, but as I see it the only belief you should have is one you create yourself. Acknowledging the beliefs of others and using them to review your own is one thing, but it is another to follow a religion. What I'm trying to say, I suppose, is that metaphysical beliefs should be founded purely on reason.
  
  As mentioned earlier here, I do have spiritual beliefs-- though atheisitc, I reasoned a variety of concepts against things that I knew and/or accepted about life and the universe. I get called often on my dislike for "faith" when people claim that my beliefs constitute faith. They don't.
  
  I have no faith in my beliefs whatsoever. For one thing, I know that it's entirely possible I'm nowhere near right. Given all the possibilities, in fact, I'm almost certainly wrong. For another, if I come to know something or am given a rational argument which would disprove what I believe or make it illogical to me, there is no making excuses for it, it must be fully torn apart and rebuilt anew in a way that fits with the new information.
• Royale wrote on 2012-01-03 04:17
  It's the arguments and debates that makes places like forums so interesting, everyone is entitled their own opinion, and they should have one, if everyone just agree with each other and echo what each other said it would get pretty dull and we would never learn anything.
  and there's no reason to hate people for arguing, everyone see things diffidently, it's the way humanity works and is what make us unique. If anything, people who debates with you deserves respect, it shows on some level they care about what you said and takes their time to exchange opinions with you.
• Cynic wrote on 2012-01-03 12:33

  Quote from Fracture;717811:

  Oh, I understand that. What I'm saying is that there is a fundamental flaw with accepting anything you're told about the metaphysical. Again, my opinion, but as I see it the only belief you should have is one you create yourself. Acknowledging the beliefs of others and using them to review your own is one thing, but it is another to follow a religion. What I'm trying to say, I suppose, is that metaphysical beliefs should be founded purely on reason.
  
  As mentioned earlier here, I do have spiritual beliefs-- though atheisitc, I reasoned a variety of concepts against things that I knew and/or accepted about life and the universe. I get called often on my dislike for "faith" when people claim that my beliefs constitute faith. They don't.
  
  I have no faith in my beliefs whatsoever. For one thing, I know that it's entirely possible I'm nowhere near right. Given all the possibilities, in fact, I'm almost certainly wrong. For another, if I come to know something or am given a rational argument which would disprove what I believe or make it illogical to me, there is no making excuses for it, it must be fully torn apart and rebuilt anew in a way that fits with the new information.

  
  
  You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Fracture again.
  
  Honestly, it's people that ruin religion, not so much the religion itself. (even if it was most likely created by people as-well)
  Having a belief, faith or just something that helps you get by is perfectly fine. It's normal, even. But when people let it dictate their lives? Then it becomes stupidity. Don't use religion as an excuse to hate, persecute or judge. Because religion doesn't magically give you the right to do so without being judged yourself.
  
  People always seem to assume I judge religious people because of their religion, when I in-fact judge them because of how they misuse the religious card.
  Though, expecting people not to get pissed/judge them after what they do? That's like someone beating me in the face and expecting me not to retaliate.