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a bit too late to notice, but I think TA is laughing her ass off for trolling sparta and other sensible nationers.
For the record, I do not troll. Ever.
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The solution you people are promoting is same as amputating the fingers of a person who got a paper cut.
Sure saving a rainforest is much more serious than a paper cut, but that ridiculous comparison had to be made since you people had a ridiculous solution.
No, I suppose a better analogy would be...
Someone contracts a very deadly very contagious disease. If it's allowed to spread then it will kill every human and every animal on the planet.
Now, with that said, this person has a choice to move away from their home to a new home where they can receive treatment, their old home now being off limits because the disease has infected that area.
Or, they can die.
The other choice being, they selfishly decide to either stay right where they are with no regard to the rest of the world's plight and choose not to seek help for some mind numbing reason that we can't possibly understand.
So then, I have to ask you...
If this person decides that they would prefer to not move and don't care if the disease spreads and they don't care about getting cured (obviously they would prefer to be cured and not move, but you can't have both. Either you don't move and are not cured, or you move and you are cured.), then we are now faced with a dilemma:
Do we allow this person to remain where they are and allow the entire rest of the world, both humans and animals alike, to completely die off, or... do we take matters into our own hands?
Do we forcefully relocate him?
Do we kill him then disinfect the area over a number of years?
This is the problem as it has been presented.
Now, I can safely say, personally, that were I in that situation, I would make the sacrifice for the greater good. Remember, death isn't required. Just relocation. Is that so much to ask, to save the entirety of everything else?
If it is, then I severely have to question your ability to make logical decisions.
Okay, let's look at it another way... This time it's back to a single person and body parts.
Your pinky toe got bitten by a rather deadly creature of some sort. The venom hasn't spread all that far yet, but you have the choice of either chopping off the toe and living, or allowing the venom to spread and dieing.
This scenario, however, is not a good one at all. It is under the assumption that someone must die.
Nobody has to die.
As has been said time and time again, any such genocides or forced relocation, they are a last resort option, but one that we would be willing to act upon
given no other alternative.
There are, of course, other alternatives, and I think the major problem here is that everyone jumps to the idea that we mentioned the idea of genocide or mass relocation, and you get hung up on it. "That's wrong."
Well, I say to that, sure it may be wrong; but given that, or the extinction of nearly every living thing on the planet... I say it's an acceptable loss.
However, I digress. The point being, it is a very serious problem and something needs to be done. It is so serious in fact, that many of us would be willing to take such drastic measures to rectify the situation in a worst case scenario, though we remain hopeful that better solutions could be found.
I should take this point to say though, that it isn't the people that are doing this. It's the government and their grandiose idea of progression and expansion.
Whether the people have any control over it or not, I don't know. I guess they may just want their economy and living conditions improved, and consequences be damned. Those smart well-to-do countries will come up with a solution to the problem, we don't need to be inconvenienced.
Honestly what needs to happen is that these people need to rise up and overthrow their governments and stop the deforestation themselves. Or at the very least have significant protests or riots that encourage such action.
Now, to cover another point...
The idea that 20 million Americans should die so that 20 million residents of the Amazon could be relocated - this is ridiculous. Why? Because we don't have overpopulation problems. We have enough landmass and enough resources that we could easily support those 20 million people as refugees. Though, hopefully they could become citizens and have jobs and pay taxes and not just be a strain on our economy.
What's worse, killing was the absolute last case scenario. Moving was a much better solution, and nobody needs to die for that. Why should others die when there's no need for it? The "would you die" scenarios are just stupid for the fact that they assume that we have to die. **** no I wouldn't die, I'd pack my **** up and I'd ****ing move. I move, everyone's happy, problem resolved. No deaths. You guys are just getting
sooooo hung up on the moral issues with mass killing that you overlook the entire concept of
why it would possibly be done. You don't even acknowledge that it is an absolute worst case scenario possibility, but keep referencing it as if it's our #1 solution to the problem. It's the worst possible solution imagionable, and one none of us wants, but if it comes to it, 20 million humans for 6.8 billion humans and trillions of animals... that, to me, is an acceptable price. It is, however, an absolute worst case scenario. Those people, and not even necessarily the entire 20 million, just need to move slightly, and the forests need to be replanted to some extent and they need to stop the deforestation entirely. It wouldn't even be that big of an inconvenience.
The major point is that the deforestation has to stop. Some is for logging, some is for industrialization, some is for farmland. The reasons don't matter, because the consequences of the actions far outweigh the possible gains.
Also, the idea of planting a ton of a single type of tree... that would not work. The Amazon is a very diverse ecosystem and ecologists would need to replace very specific species of flora to maintain the balance of the region and slowly return it to what it was. Some damage can't be undone, but some things can be at least somewhat put back like they were.