God's Sex.

• Episkey wrote on 2012-01-24 06:24

  Quote from Kollin;746636:

  My problem with the bible, it was a human creation. It can easily be tampered with. Humans, by nature, are untrustworthy and....well....sinful. I can agree with that much. Not saying every religious view is complete bull****.

  
  
  Well. I can say that the words themselves may have been written by humans, but no one in their right mind would actually write what the Bible says. Also, the Bible makes subtle mention of scientific concepts that weren't even discovered and it talks about the future (mainly the life of Jesus). Believing that the Bible was written by God seems hard to swallow, but it's something that I (and Christians) fully believe. It's just something you need to experience for yourself :scrub:
  
  

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;746637:

  Time to read, any suggestions?

  
  
  What? You mean Bible verses? If that's what you meant, sure I can give you a list.
• Kollin wrote on 2012-01-24 06:30

  Quote from Episkey;746652:

  Well. I can say that the words themselves may have been written by humans, but no one in their right mind would actually write what the Bible says. Also, the Bible makes subtle mention of scientific concepts that weren't even discovered and it talks about the future (mainly the life of Jesus). Believing that the Bible was written by God seems hard to swallow, but it's something that I (and Christians) fully believe. It's just something you need to experience for yourself :scrub:
  
  
  
  What? You mean Bible verses? If that's what you meant, sure I can give you a list.

  
  
  Anyone who wants you to believe what they say and follow you willingly can come up with any story. It is called lying.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-01-24 06:42

  Quote from Kollin;746659:

  Anyone who wants you to believe what they say and follow you willingly can come up with any story. It is called lying.

  
  
  The very same lying prohibited in the Ten Commandments or looked down upon throughout the entire Bible? Sure, that makes sense ...
  Besides, if the Bible was filled with lies - Christianity wouldn't exist today. Christians aren't just ordinary ignorant people, many scientists and great people were Christians as well. Compare what Christianity states verses Greek Mythology. Which one is still practiced today?
  
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  Listen, I'm thinking this is reaching the point where we will just go around in circles pulling dogma and theoretical things out of thin air. To be frank, Christianity is something you should research on your own accord. I merely wish to present the other side and challenge myself and others to research their beliefs. Because, I believe the "Christianity" you hold in your mind is very different than true biblical Christianity. Of course, don't take that as an ad hominem attack - since most people do have different looks on Christianity. I myself did at one time and I'm still, even to this day, trying to formulate my own beliefs. Therefore, this is pretty much the last thing I'm going to say on the matter - because I've said perhaps a bit too much :p
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-01-24 06:44

  Quote from Episkey;746652:

  Well. I can say that the words themselves may have been written by humans, but no one in their right mind would actually write what the Bible says. Also, the Bible makes subtle mention of scientific concepts that weren't even discovered and it talks about the future (mainly the life of Jesus). Believing that the Bible was written by God seems hard to swallow, but it's something that I (and Christians) fully believe. It's just something you need to experience for yourself :scrub:
  
  
  
  What? You mean Bible verses? If that's what you meant, sure I can give you a list.

  
  
  Yes xD
  If it were anything else I don't know why I'd ask on this thread.
  

  Quote from Episkey;746683:

  The very same lying prohibited in the Ten Commandments or looked down upon throughout the entire Bible? Sure, that makes sense ...
  Besides, if the Bible was filled with lies - Christianity wouldn't exist today. Christians aren't just ordinary ignorant people, many scientists and great people were Christians as well. Compare what Christianity states verses Greek Mythology. Which one is still practiced today?
  
  ...
  
  Listen, I'm thinking this is reaching the point where we will just go around in circles pulling dogma and theoretical things out of thin air. To be frank, Christianity is something you should research on your own accord. I merely wish to present the other side and challenge myself and others to research their beliefs. Because, I believe the "Christianity" you hold in your mind is very different than true biblical Christianity. Of course, don't take that as an ad hominem attack - since most people do have different looks on Christianity. I myself did at one time and I'm still, even to this day, trying to formulate my own beliefs. Therefore, this is pretty much the last thing I'm going to say on the matter - because I've said perhaps a bit too much :p

  
  You tried, some people won't open their mind up and keep the same defense held high (No offense, Kollin)
  @Kollin
  Another thing, a lot of the events that have been told in the bible have been proven to actually have happened. And It's not all just "I made this up, believe this blindly"
  It wouldn't have lasted as long as it has if that were the case
• Kollin wrote on 2012-01-24 06:56

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;746687:

  Yes xD
  If it were anything else I don't know why I'd ask on this thread.
  
  You tried, some people won't open their mind up and keep the same defense held high (No offense, Kollin)
  @Kollin
  Another thing, a lot of the events that have been told in the bible have been proven to actually have happened. And It's not all just "I made this up, believe this blindly"
  It wouldn't have lasted as long as it has if that were the case

  
  
  @Bolded: The same can be said for religious people as well.
  It can last as long as you like, provided you can change it to better suit your situation.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-24 07:04
  Why would a god need a sex to begin with? Procreation?
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-01-24 07:21

  Quote from Kollin;746706:

  @Bolded: The same can be said for religious people as well.
  It can last as long as you like, provided you can change it to better suit your situation.

  
  
  Well, I just typed an essay like post but then pressed ctrl and lost all of it.
  So I'll make this one short.
  I've said this before
  You, nor anyone can, and ever will be able to prove or disprove the existence of God.
  Only God could do that, when the times comes. It may not even be in my life time, but I believe it will happen one day.
  
  You seem to think that in Christianity there are rules you have to follow that can be manipulated.
  But there is only one thing you have to do to be saved.
  
  Do you have to go to church? Nope.
  
  Do you have to read the bible? No.
  
  Do you have to preach to others? Never.
  
  Do you have to be baptized? Nah.
  
  Do you have to follow all of the Ten commandments? No.
  
  For an example: A rapist serial killer that has been sentenced to death, and a man who died in a car accident are both awaiting judgement.
  The serial killer had accepted his fate before he died and asked God to forgive him for the horrible things that he has done.
  
  While the man who died was an atheist and never asked to be forgiven because he shunned the existence of God.
  The serial killer is good to go, he will join our paradise while the man who was in the car accident will fall down to burn with Lucifer.
  
  You cannot be forgiven unless you ask for it, you can thank Satan for that.
  All someone has to do, is ask for forgiveness from God, and accept him into their heart.
  
  It's not Christianity if anyone tells you otherwise.
  
  The above are ways to learn, build, appreciate, and share your faith.
  
  And people like me and Episkey only want you to share our happiness, our paradise, our faith.
  You don't have to follow it, but all I will do is tell you what I believe in, and let you do the rest, coming from personal experience, it's a great feeling to believe you are loved no matter what, and when I die, everything piece of **** thing I went through in this life will be worth it.
  
  What you consider garbage, I consider salvation, and I could only wish the same for you.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-24 07:32
  Hmm... Why would I go suffer for no reason or go in a paradise full of horrible people? Both option sounds bad..
  
  Forgiveness isn't supposed to be something you simply get for asking, it's something you should earn. Of course the best scenario would be to not need forgiveness in the first place..
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-01-24 07:41

  Quote from Chiyuri;746774:

  Hmm... Why would I go suffer for no reason or go in a paradise full of horrible people? Both option sounds bad..
  
  Forgiveness isn't supposed to be something you simply get for asking, it's something you should earn. Of course the best scenario would be to not need forgiveness in the first place..

  
  
  >implying God would allow horrible people into heaven
  
  once you accept God, you change, hitler wouldn't be a racist, murderer if he were to enter heaven. He's still be Adolf Hitler, but not some evil person.
  I'm a much happier person now, I'm less gloomy, and I'm constantly smiling.
  Why? Because whatever slaps me in the face I just go.
  "Well, God loves me." and I keep trucking
  
  If you're always looking to find contradictions, you'll never be satisfied with a religion.
• eraparx wrote on 2012-01-24 07:41
  lurker adding my two cents~ if i were to go to hell even if i were to be a perfectly reasonable and OK human cause i either didn't believe or wasn't raised in the faith seems... not 100% good which would mean god is not a truly all loving and good god. if he based his decisions solely on what you had done in your life. maybe.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-01-24 07:43

  Quote from Kollin;746706:

  
  It can last as long as you like, provided you can change it to better suit your situation.

  
  
  Well ... the actually content of the Bible hasn't changed. Biblical Christianity has been the same for over 2000 years, the only thing that's changed is our society and perhaps the means of how the Bible is taught.
  
  But, then you'll disagree by referencing the Gnostic Gospels or something similar and we're back on square one. :gloom3:
  
  

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;746757:

  
  Do you have to go to church? Nope.
  
  Do you have to read the bible? No.
  
  Do you have to preach to others? Never.
  
  Do you have to be baptized? Nah.
  
  Do you have to follow all of the Ten commandments? No.
  

  
  
  I would like to mention that a Christian should do all of the above, however it isn't the acts that get you into heaven. Someone who isn't a Christian can do all of the above and still be lost.
  
  

  Quote from Chiyuri;746774:

  Hmm... Why would I go suffer for no reason or go in a paradise full of horrible people? Both option sounds bad..
  
  Forgiveness isn't supposed to be something you simply get for asking, it's something you should earn. Of course the best scenario would be to not need forgiveness in the first place..

  
  
  Suffer? I'm not suffering :p I'm enjoying life to the fullest (short of doing anything illegal or bad).
  And paradise won't be filled with horrible people. God won't allow such types of people to inhabit heaven.
  
  Forgiveness is a gift. You can't earn forgiveness, you ask for it. Think about it, it's the same in real life.
  
  Also, if someone gave you a present, would you automatically try and give them something back?
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-24 07:44

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;746789:

  
  >implying God would allow horrible people into heaven
  
  once you accept God, you change, hitler wouldn't be a racist, murderer if he were to enter heaven. He's still be Adolf Hitler, but not some evil person.
  I'm a much happier person now, I'm less gloomy, and I'm constantly smiling.
  Why? Because whatever slaps me in the face I just go.
  "Well, God loves me." and I keep trucking

  
  
  What about all those people who believed in their ways, burned and stoned people to death for God, Truthfully believing it said god. I am pretty sure they "accepted God" But that didn't seem to have much change in their nature, or more like.. it might have made it much more worst...
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-01-24 07:45

  Quote from eraparx;746790:

  lurker adding my two cents~ if i were to go to hell even if i were to be a perfectly reasonable and OK human cause i either didn't believe or wasn't raised in the faith seems... not 100% good which would mean god is not a truly all loving and good god. if he based his decisions solely on what you had done in your life. maybe.

  
  
  I believe Episkey has answered that one in another thread, but I can't seem to find it.
  
  

  Quote from Chiyuri;746794:

  What about all those people who believed in their ways, burned and stoned people to death for God, Truthfully believing it said god. I am pretty sure they "accepted God" But that didn't seem to have much change in their nature, or more like.. it might have made it much more worst...

  
  If that were the case, they never truly accepted God, and they have mistaken what God's word is by a long shot.
  

  Quote from Episkey;746792:

  Well ... the actually content of the Bible hasn't changed. Biblical Christianity has been the same for over 2000 years, the only thing that's changed is our society and perhaps the means of how the Bible is taught.
  
  But, then you'll disagree by referencing the Gnostic Gospels or something similar and we're back on square one. :gloom3:
  
  
  
  I would like to mention that a Christian should do all of the above, however it isn't the acts that get you into heaven. Someone who isn't a Christian can do all of the above and still be lost.
  
  
  
  Suffer? I'm not suffering :p I'm enjoying life to the fullest (short of doing anything illegal or bad).
  And paradise won't be filled with horrible people. God won't allow such types of people to inhabit heaven.
  
  Forgiveness is a gift. You can't earn forgiveness, you ask for it. Think about it, it's the same in real life.
  
  Also, if someone gave you a present, would you automatically try and give them something back?

  
  
  Oh yes, they should. But it's not a requirement.
• Froglord wrote on 2012-01-24 07:48
  The Christian and jewish god is depicted to be similar to Zeus or Jupiter from the Greek/Roman gods.
  
  Zeus/Jupiter was a male and the king of the gods, supreme in authority and the eldest of all the gods.
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-01-24 07:54
  I would like to believe that every religion's God is really the same God, but people have different ideas of him.