Church Against Obama Over Offering Free Contraceptives Through Health Care

• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:20

  Quote from Cynic;758041:

  She was basically saying everything happens for a reason, meaning that in the end, that rape happened for a reason. Which is essentially trying to justify the rape in some way.

  
  I am NOT saying rape is okay
  But I believe everything happens because you and everyone else has a purpose in this life, and this may be part of it.
  I HATE rapists, murderers, or any of the sort, but you know what? **** happens, and my personal beliefs tell me that everything, whether the reason for their existence was good or bad, should have a chance to see this world.
  
  And you have no right to bash me for that.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 07:23

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758047:

  I am NOT saying rape is okay
  But I believe everything happens because you and everyone else has a purpose in this life, and this may be part of it.
  I HATE rapists, murderers, or any of the sort, but you know what? **** happens, and my personal beliefs tell me that everything, whether the reason for their existence was good or bad, should have a chance to see this world.
  
  And you have no right to bash me for that.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]*bashes*
  Since everything ends up dead in the long run, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to have an abortion; especially since the fetus can't say "i dun wanna die." MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (out of place, i know)[/FONT]
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:25

  Quote from Scarlet;758053:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]*bashes*
  Since everything ends up dead in the long run, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to have an abortion; especially since the fetus can't say "i dun wanna die." MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (out of place, i know)[/FONT]

  
  
  So if someone wanted to kill you right now, that would be fine, because you're going to die anyway.
  And that's the main reason I hate abortion
  they can't speak for themselves.
  It's murder.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2012-02-01 07:26

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758038:

  I agree except for the fact that by the time most people find out they're pregnant, it's no longer just a "fertilized egg"
  I believe EVERYTHING should have a chance at life.

  
  
  If sex produced a child every single time, it would end in genocide.
  
  People are going to die either way. I hope that we'll one day face something akin to the genophage. Humanity must be controlled if we are to survive.
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:29

  Quote from Kaeporo;758058:

  If sex produced a child every single time, it would end in genocide.
  
  People are going to die either way. I hope that we'll one day face something akin to the genophage. Humanity must be controlled if we are to survive.

  
  
  But it doesn't, the chances of getting pregnant are based on timing and chance.
  Life is a precious thing, and I don't think man should be able to take life away from anyone.
  
  That baby has just as much of a right to live as you do, just because it isn't born yet doesn't change anything.
  
  A lady puts her newborn infant in the microwave "KILL THAT *****"
  if a woman kills a fetus just because she didn't want it "Oh, that's her choice"
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 07:30

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758056:

  So if someone wanted to kill you right now, that would be fine, because you're going to die anyway.
  And that's the main reason I hate abortion
  they can't speak for themselves.
  It's murder.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]I would attempt to prevent it if I could (fight back etc), but it wouldn't concern me much whether I died or not. If I did die, then a lot less worries for me. And it would be a lot easier for me if I weren't born (as in, aborted), I wouldn't have to go to school, do homework, meet expectations, eat, or any of that annoying stuff >.>[/FONT]
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:33

  Quote from Scarlet;758064:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]I would attempt to prevent it if I could (fight back etc), but it wouldn't concern me much whether I died or not. If I did die, then a lot less worries for me. And it would be a lot easier for me if I weren't born (as in, aborted), I wouldn't have to go to school, do homework, meet expectations, eat, or any of that annoying stuff >.>[/FONT]

  
  
  But other people wouldn't view it like that, you would have been murdered, have had your life ripped away from you.
  
  Why should abortion be any different.
  You're doing the exact same thing if you have an abortion.
  
  I think abortion is okay in ONE circumstances.
  
  If the mother's life is in danger
  The mother shouldn't be forced to die for the baby.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 07:39

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758066:

  But other people wouldn't view it like that, you would have been murdered, have had your life ripped away from you.
  
  Why should abortion be any different.
  You're doing the exact same thing if you have an abortion.
  
  I think abortion is okay in ONE circumstances.
  
  If the mother's life is in danger
  The mother shouldn't be forced to die for the baby.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Well, the aborted baby wouldn't be in any position to be considering itself murdered, so I don't see problem. And if other people see it as murder, it's not like they're the ones doing the dying.[/FONT]
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:43

  Quote from Scarlet;758077:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Well, the aborted baby wouldn't be in any position to be considering itself murdered, so I don't see problem. And if other people see it as murder, it's not like they're the ones doing the dying.[/FONT]

  
  
  Neither would you, you'd be dead.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2012-02-01 07:43
  Everything is relative.
  
  Life isn't automatically a "precious thing" in my eyes. Infants consume resources and provide nothing aside from potential. I would gladly support the acceleration from children into adults if it said technology was available and produced the same results.
  
  It's important that we hold these differences. The diversity of human beings is our greatest strength.
  
  Here's a crazy scenario. What if women automatically produced children once a year? Resources would certainly dwindle among the population. Would you oppose it then?
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:45

  Quote from Kaeporo;758081:

  Everything is relative.
  
  Life isn't automatically a "precious thing" in my eyes. Infants consume resources and provide nothing aside from potential. I would gladly support the acceleration from children into adults if it said technology was available and produced the same results.
  
  It's important that we hold these differences. The diversity of human beings is our greatest strength.
  
  Here's a crazy scenario. What if women automatically produced children once a year? Resources would certainly dwindle among the population. Would you oppose it then?

  
  
  But isn't that irrelevant
  and I don't think aborted babies would have put that much impact on our resources
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 07:49

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758080:

  Neither would you, you'd be dead.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Yes, I would, and therefore there should be no complaints on abortion.[/FONT]
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;758081:

  Everything is relative.
  
  Life isn't automatically a "precious thing" in my eyes. Infants consume resources and provide nothing aside from potential. I would gladly support the acceleration from children into adults if it said technology was available and produced the same results.
  
  It's important that we hold these differences. The diversity of human beings is our greatest strength.
  
  Here's a crazy scenario. What if women automatically produced children once a year? Resources would certainly dwindle among the population. Would you oppose it then?

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]If women had always produced children every year, our society would be very very different, with a very different set of values that would (probably) be incomprehensible to us as is. If it suddenly began in our time, then obviously there would be no choice but abortion. And life is indeed relative; I (as a prejudiced person) see nothing in non sentient life; a fetus is just a mass of developing cells without sufficient awareness to be considered sentient, as much so as a chicken or sea sponge
  Oh, and consider Jonathan Swift's modest proposal... Not a bad idea, hmm? (But even I wouldn't be able to stomach that)
  http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
  .[/FONT]
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 07:58

  Quote from Scarlet;758091:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Yes, I would, and therefore there should be no complaints on abortion.[/FONT]
  
  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]If women had always produced children every year, our society would be very very different, with a very different set of values that would (probably) be incomprehensible to us as is. If it suddenly began in our time, then obviously there would be no choice but abortion. And life is indeed relative; I (as a prejudiced person) see nothing in non sentient life; a fetus is just a mass of developing cells without sufficient awareness to be considered sentient, as much so as a chicken or sea sponge
  Oh, and consider Jonathan Swift's modest proposal... Not a bad idea, hmm? (But even I wouldn't be able to stomach that)
  http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
  .[/FONT]

  
  
  Then murder should be allowed, shouldn't it?
  If I want to go out and shoot a little girl playing in the park, I should have the right, because she's going to die one day, and she won't know she's dead because she'll be dead.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 08:00

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758101:

  Then murder should be allowed, shouldn't it?
  If I want to go out and shoot a little girl playing in the park, I should have the right, because she's going to die one day, and she won't know she's dead because she'll be dead.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]You go ahead and do that and see what happens to you...:imdead: But naturally society will view something like that as worse than an abortion; and I do believe this was brought up somewhere (though I don't remember where). Choose between a little girl or a fetus, the answer should be obvious.[/FONT]
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 08:05

  Quote from Scarlet;758108:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]You go ahead and do that and see what happens to you...:imdead: But naturally society will view something like that as worse than an abortion; and I do believe this was brought up somewhere (though I don't remember where). Choose between a little girl or a fetus, the answer should be obvious.[/FONT]

  
  I'm not saying I would do something like that, because I don't think I could do that if someone was holding a gun to my head saying
  "Do it faggot"
  
  I love children
  
  and as for your question
  the little girl has already be out in the world to start enjoying life, she should be the one to live, but that doesn't mean that fetus's shouldn't have that chance too. :/