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Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-01 09:53
[FONT="Times New Roman"]I think a nicely twisted solution is to legalize usage of stem cells from fetuses, and have those sold for profit! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/FONT]
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-02-01 09:54
Quote from Hannah's Lover;758329:
Communism doesn't work.
That breaks rights of the people including the unborn.
That would not only be a huge waste of tax payers money but can you imagine how pissed off people would be?
One-child-policy =|= real socialism (
that's an actual term).
The unborn are not people, particularly not the hardly developed. Even the rose in your garden has more "peopleness" in it. At least that one can sustain itself autonomously.
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Elena wrote on 2012-02-01 09:56
My opinion on this whole rape+abortion thing.
The woman never asked for it. She should not have to carry it. I'll let someone have their say on what that woman should do with their body when, and only when, THEY CAN CARRY THE BURDEN FOR HER.
Since it is currently not possible, I say no one has a right to tell that woman what to do with her body. I don't care if the person is the kind of person that would carry the potential kid if they could. The point is, they can't. Someone made a decision for that woman that she never wanted to make. If she's strong enough to keep it, good for her. If she's not, she shouldn't have to be told that that's the wrong answer.
Telling a woman she has no choice about such an important step in life is like telling two people they can't get married because they're of the same sex. What gives other people the right to make such important decisions for others?
As for no contraceptives. That's just stupid. "YOU CAN'T ABORT, AND YOU CAN'T PREVENT."
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Mentosftw wrote on 2012-02-01 09:57
Well, the people in China aren't that pissed about it. Plus it's been said before, 1 child policy =/= communism.
Plus if it's properly regulated, the rich people can have more kids and the population of the poor will be smaller as well.
Sometimes too many rights will destroy the society as a whole in the long run. Also about the costs, a lot of children would use up just as much or even more money to maintain.
Also the sterilization thing wouldn't work because if you have kids dying you can't replace em. I'll change my hyopothetical rule so that if your child dies, you can have another one just so that it's just one. Also, twins and multiples are allowed as well.
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Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 09:59
Quote from Elena;758336:
My opinion on this whole rape+abortion thing.
The woman never asked for it. She should not have to carry it. I'll let someone have their say on what that woman should do with their body when, and only when, THEY CAN CARRY THE BURDEN FOR HER.
Since it is currently not possible, I say no one has a right to tell that woman what to do with her body. I don't care if the person is the kind of person that would carry the potential kid if they could. The point is, they can't. Someone made a decision for that woman that she never wanted to make. If she's strong enough to keep it, good for her. If she's not, she shouldn't have to be told that that's the wrong answer.
Telling a woman she has no choice about such an important step in life is like telling two people they can't get married because they're of the same sex. What gives other people the right to make such important decisions for others?
As for no contraceptives. That's just stupid. "YOU CAN'T ABORT, AND YOU CAN'T PREVENT."
to a point, I agree with you
I never said raped women shouldn't have the right to abort, I find it morally wrong.
If I had it my way
Women who have been raped have a choice
women who just so happened to open their legs and had consensual sex shouldn't have a choice, period.
If you don't want the kid, think of it as a punishment that ends in 9 months.
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Hiccup wrote on 2012-02-01 10:01
Quote from Yoorah;758309:
A far cheaper contraceptive program would be to distribute free WoW subscriptions to the masses.
WoW sux though
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Episkey wrote on 2012-02-01 10:04
Quote from Mentosftw;758337:
Well, the people in China aren't that pissed about it. Plus it's been said before, 1 child policy =/= communism.
Plus if it's properly regulated, the rich people can have more kids and the population of the poor will be smaller as well.
Sometimes too many rights will destroy the society as a whole in the long run. Also about the costs, a lot of children would use up just as much or even more money to maintain.
Also the sterilization thing wouldn't work because if you have kids dying you can't replace em. I'll change my hyopothetical rule so that if your child dies, you can have another one just so that it's just one. Also, twins and multiples are allowed as well.
That actually doesn't sound too bad. But, people would then state how the government is infringing on how they live their lives. It works in China due to the fact that people's mentalities are different.
Good luck trying to implement something like that in the good U.S.A -.-
Quote from Yoorah;758309:
A far cheaper contraceptive program would be to distribute free WoW subscriptions to the masses.
But. But.
That has magic in it. Obviously Satanic.
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Kaeporo wrote on 2012-02-01 10:05
Quote from Hannah's Lover;758329:
Communism doesn't work.
That breaks rights of the people including the unborn.
That would not only be a huge waste of tax payers money but can you imagine how pissed off people would be?
Everything is relative.
1. Communism doesn't work but neither has any other government. Nations rise and fall with the passing of time. Who's to say that corporations won't eventually cause the downfall of a market society?
2. People don't have rights.
3. The unborn aren't people.
4. Taxes are already being wasted.
5. Minimizing the population would ensure more people have access to the resources that they need. A greater percentage of the population could have improved healthcare, food wouldn't need to be mass produced, the environment wouldn't be destroyed at its current rate and everyone could receive a solid education. Ever heard the phrase "the richer get richer while the poor get children"?
6. People are already pissed at the government.
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Mentosftw wrote on 2012-02-01 10:05
^ It sucks but then again, the numbers don't lie...
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Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 10:09
Quote from Kaeporo;758353:
Everything is relative.
1. Communism doesn't work but neither has any other government. Nations rise and fall with the passing of time. Who's to say that corporations won't eventually cause the downfall of a market society?
2. People don't have rights.
3. The unborn aren't people.
4. Taxes are already being wasted.
5. Minimizing the population would ensure more people have access to the resources that they need. A greater percentage of the population could have improved healthcare, food wouldn't need to be mass produced, the environment wouldn't be destroyed at its current rate, everyone could receive a solid education. Ever heard the phrase "the richer get richer while the poor get children"?
6. People are already pissed at the government.
1. Sure, but communism is typically found in poorer countries like China, right?
2. Bull****.
3. Based off of opinion
4. No ****
5. Wouldn't work
6. Yeah! Let's make it worse!
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Rin wrote on 2012-02-02 21:17
Quote from paladin;758299:
Solution:
Give Catholic churches the right to not hand those out but
The money they would save it returned to the federal gov and put into other locations nearby
So those women who want it can still get it, not just from the church
I'd rather the Catholic churches be exempt from these laws that they find morally objectionable. Being forced to do something against your religious beliefs is no different than shoving your religion beliefs down other people's throats.
How do you convince somebody to stop forcing you to do something you don't like? Certainly by not forcing that somebody to do something they don't like (though I can see why some people would think that idea would work).
The Roman Catholic Church wouldn't like to have their money go into these abortion/contraceptive services either. I feel the best solution would be to divert these "money saved" to government services that don't disagree with the churches, such as Medicare or education funding.
Whether or not it's progressive or the sensible thing to do is another story. Infringement in holding your religious beliefs is unacceptable in the current Constitution as of this situation.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-02 21:28
Quote from Hannah's Lover;758362:
1. Sure, but communism is typically found in poorer countries like China, right?
2. Bull****.
3. Based off of opinion
4. No ****
5. Wouldn't work
6. Yeah! Let's make it worse!
If you are going to talk about number 3 been an opinion, wouldn,t that also apply to number 2?
Also why wouldn't number 5 work?
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Scarlet wrote on 2012-02-02 22:50
[FONT="Times New Roman"]Communism is a name and ideal. There has been no correctly (as based off of Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto) communist government. The bad name communi gets is from the countries that practice totalitarianism and mass oppression, calling themselves communist. And China can be properly considered socialist right now
Also, Obama is using government money to sponsor abortion; he's not forcing a limit on population like China does.[/FONT]
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Ninjam wrote on 2012-02-03 01:15
Ive got an idea. Stop creating new programs and laws. Funnel the money instead into enforcing current laws and benefiting current programs. Instead of spending all our time and money throwing condoms at churches instead throw those condoms at schools, funnel the money into sex education programs and underfunded schools and healthcare programs.
Step one of programing(for me), if you have a problem in the code, dont add new code. I think it applies nicely here.