Church Against Obama Over Offering Free Contraceptives Through Health Care

• Jana wrote on 2012-02-01 08:06
  That logic is pretty horribly flawed, so I'm not even gonna touch on it.
  
  My personal views on abortion are that it should be legal, but with limits. I would definitely consider it okay for someone who would die from giving birth, or a woman who was raped. But after a certain amount of time, the baby ceases to be a clump of cells and becomes a human baby... I don't recall the exact threshold, but it is more than enough time for a victim to get help.
• Lan wrote on 2012-02-01 08:34

  Quote from Jana;758122:

  That logic is pretty horribly flawed, so I'm not even gonna touch on it.
  
  My personal views on abortion are that it should be legal, but with limits. I would definitely consider it okay for someone who would die from giving birth, or a woman who was raped. But after a certain amount of time, the baby ceases to stop being a clump of cells and becomes a human baby... I don't recall the exact threshold, but it is more than enough time for a victim to get help.

  
  
  At around 30 weeks abortions are illegal because...it's messy.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;758058:

  If sex produced a child every single time, it would end in genocide.
  
  People are going to die either way. I hope that we'll one day face something akin to the genophage. Humanity must be controlled if we are to survive.

  
  
  Why'd you have to bring Mass Effect into this? :<
• Jana wrote on 2012-02-01 08:40
  30 weeks seems like it might be too long for what I was thinking... I'll look it up later though. :P
  
  Edit: I just realized how strangely I worded that post too, so I'll clean it a little.
• Lan wrote on 2012-02-01 08:46

  Quote from Jana;758182:

  30 weeks seems like it might be too long for what I was thinking... I'll look it up later though. :P
  
  Edit: I just realized how strangely I worded that post too, so I'll clean it a little.

  
  
  Wait...I may be wrong. Should be earlier.
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 08:55
  [video=youtube;4l9GE_eaMSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l9GE_eaMSs[/video]
  most women find out they're pregnant anywhere from 5-9 weeks along
  
  and a lot of the time the abortion isn't right after they find out they're pregnant
  
  [video=youtube;SuWoXFIcgCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWoXFIcgCg&feature=relmfu[/video]
• Episkey wrote on 2012-02-01 09:05

  Quote from Jana;758182:

  30 weeks seems like it might be too long for what I was thinking... I'll look it up later though. :P
  

  
  
  It differs, but I believe the general consensus is that legal abortions should be performed no later
  than the first trimester (3 months).
  
  I've heard about and seen pictures of abortions done around the 2nd trimester ... yeah. Sad stuff, in my opinion.
• Lan wrote on 2012-02-01 09:11

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758202:

  [video=youtube;4l9GE_eaMSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l9GE_eaMSs[/video]
  most women find out they're pregnant anywhere from 5-9 weeks along
  
  and a lot of the time the abortion isn't right after they find out they're pregnant
  
  [video=youtube;SuWoXFIcgCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWoXFIcgCg&feature=relmfu[/video]

  
  
  http://www.themarysue.com/virginia-rectal-exam-amendment/
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-02-01 09:28
  Hmm how about a compromise between the two differing opinions?
  
  A one child policy coupled with a no abortion/genetic alteration policy. All children thereafter the first must be aborted; if you wish to keep the child, a very high fee must be paid.
  
  That way, there's no overpopulation, no choice of sex for your children (a choice would lead to an imbalance of the sexes as shown in China), and the poor won't be overburdened with kids.
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 09:41

  Quote from Mentosftw;758271:

  Hmm how about a compromise between the two differing opinions?
  
  A one child policy coupled with a no abortion/genetic alteration policy. All children thereafter the first must be aborted; if you wish to keep the child, a very high fee must be paid.
  
  That way, there's no overpopulation, no choice of sex for your children (a choice would lead to an imbalance of the sexes as shown in China), and the poor won't be overburdened with kids.

  
  
  But sometimes pregnancy happens by accident, even with contraceptions
• paladin wrote on 2012-02-01 09:42
  Solotion
  Give cactholic chruches the right to not hand those out but
  The money they would save it returned to the federal gov and put into other locations nearby
  So those women who want it can still get it,not just from the church
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-01 09:45
  A far cheaper contraceptive program would be to distribute free WoW subscriptions to the masses.
• paladin wrote on 2012-02-01 09:46

  Quote from Yoorah;758309:

  A far cheaper contraceptive program would be to distribute free WoW subscriptions to the masses.

  
  
  Till the power usage goes up
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-02-01 09:46

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758295:

  But sometimes pregnancy happens by accident, even with contraceptions

  
  
  Which is why the first is kept and the ones after that are aborted.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-02-01 09:49

  Quote from Hannah's Lover;758003:

  That's sad but I believe everything happens for a reason.

  
  So abortion happens for reasons too, apparently. Now that we have established that, how does "happens for a reason" equal "must happen and not be undone under any circumstances" anyway?
  
  You should be cautious in your reply btw, because that argument reaches far wider than just "don't abort".
  

  Quote from Mentosftw;758313:

  Which is why the first is kept and the ones after that are aborted.

  
  You know you can just sterilise people, right?
• Hannah's Lover wrote on 2012-02-01 09:52

  Quote from Mentosftw;758313:

  Which is why the first is kept and the ones after that are aborted.

  
  
  Communism doesn't work.
  That breaks rights of the people including the unborn.
  That would not only be a huge waste of tax payers money but can you imagine how pissed off people would be?
  
  

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;758322:

  So abortion happens for reasons too, apparently. Now that we have established that, how does "happens for a reason" equal "must happen and not be undone under any circumstances" anyway?
  
  You should be cautious in your reply btw, because that argument reaches far wider than just "don't abort".
  
  You know you can just sterilise people, right?

  
  
  I don't think anyone who has been raped has had the opportunity to say no, does that make it okay?
  Nope.
  Same thing goes for abortion
  you CHOOSE to kill something that can't say
  "Hey, I'd like to live life!"
  
  IN MY OPINION abortion is MURDER, period, end of story.
  
  People who have abortions got to say
  
  "Hey, **** this kid, and a little discomfort, I'm more important!"