Should humans eat meat?

• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 16:02

  Quote from The Hero Luka;793868:

  1. "Meat is sterile because of its own immune system."
  
  2. "Only scavenging animals are bad"
  
  3. "Diseases are only from chemicals and processing"
  
  All false.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't take it out of context; I didn't really mean "only" for the scavenging animals. number 1 is true. And I didn't say ONLY chemicals and processing; modern diseases like cancer, liver failure, and diabetes are very much related to chemical (and non chemical) additives and processing. Scavenging animals are very bad was what I was pointing out. And for healthy animals, meat IS sterile because of its own immune system, and I did say healthy. And domesticated animals are checked for diseases (and given shots), so you can't expect to get diseases from them. Plus, vegetables are easily much more unhealthy because of third world countries using human manure, and many other areas using toxic pesticides and chemical fertilizers.[/FONT]
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-03-02 16:11

  Quote from Scarlet;793873:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't take it out of context; I didn't really mean "only" for the scavenging animals. number 1 is true. And I didn't say ONLY chemicals and processing; modern diseases like cancer, liver failure, and diabetes are very much related to chemical (and non chemical) additives and processing..[/FONT]

  
  
  Don't take what I said out of context too.
  
  I know you didn't mean ONLY those things.
  
  But your understanding of diseases, immune systems, and sterilization is horribly flawed and you need to go back to biology.
  
  

  Quote from Scarlet;793873:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]And for healthy animals, meat IS sterile because of its own immune system, and I did say healthy. And domesticated animals are checked for diseases (and given shots), so you can't expect to get diseases from them. Plus, vegetables are easily much more unhealthy because of third world countries using human manure, and many other areas using toxic pesticides and chemical fertilizers.[/FONT]

  
  
  This is SO wrong that I don't even know where to begin.
  
  I'm just gonna let someone else explain it. I'm going back to studying for my exams.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 16:17

  Quote from The Hero Luka;793879:

  But your understanding of diseases, immune systems, and sterilization is horribly flawed and you need to go back to biology.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Okay, I didn't mean sterile in the literal definition sense, I meant "safe to eat," but I stand by everything else I've said. And I did get an A in AP Biology (not that it even barely scratches the surface), and I don't need to go back because I remember pretty much everything in the textbook. And FDA approved organic vegtables don't have chemicals added, but no-norganic has no guarantees.
  The main point was that eating meat does not cause diseases, as there are many health problems caused by deficiencies that you can obtain by not eating enough meat. (and yes, I am aware that you can substitute in vegtables, but you'd have to go around finding specific crap like soybeans for enough protein etc.)[/FONT]
• Justified wrote on 2012-03-02 16:42
  I like how the question is "should humans eat meat?" and the main argument for 'no' isn't actually a reason why we shouldn't.
  
  - "We shouldn't eat meat because it is not natural." (ie. we are herbivores by nature)
  Does that mean we should abandon much of technology? Electricity, masonry, plumbing, medicine, etc are also unnatural. Along with all other advances, meat eating was developed to make our lives easier and more enjoyable. They are not necessary (Amish for example abandon some aspects), but neither are they wrong or something we shouldn't do.
  
  The only two real reasons why we shouldn't eat meat (that I can think of) are health concerns and treatment of animals.
  Health concerns are largely resolved through proper handling and knowledge of nutrition, which leaves only animal massacre as a viable argument. And frankly a vast majority of people won't care about food animals, or at least care less than the fact that meat is so delicious.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 16:55

  Quote from Justified;793898:

  meat is so delicious.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]x3[/FONT]
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-03-02 18:34
  Yes.
  
  It tastes good.
  
  But Scarlet you're an idiot.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-03-02 20:25
  Interesting points, although there's no need to insult each other because of different views ~.~
  (Especially when it's something so minor as a dietary preference)
  
  In any case, here's something interesting.
  A comparison of human taxonomy with carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores.
  
  Taxonomy Comparison
  
  There's a little few paragraphs on the bottom talking a little bit on how humans are "omnivores".
• whocares8128 wrote on 2012-03-03 01:18

  Quote from Episkey;793985:

  Interesting points, although there's no need to insult each other because of different views ~.~
  (Especially when it's something so minor as a dietary preference)
  
  In any case, here's something interesting.
  A comparison of human taxonomy with carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores.
  
  Taxonomy Comparison
  
  There's a little few paragraphs on the bottom talking a little bit on how humans are "omnivores".

  
  
  So, a carnivore that also eats fruits and/or vegetables is an omnivore, while an herbivore that also eats meat is simply a bad vegan?
  
  Also, why are all the links for that article broken? They seem to point to (what had been) pro-vegan sites as well. I can't take such an article as a serious scientific endeavor.
• Tiiria wrote on 2012-03-03 01:26
  I eat meat because I was brought up in a society that eats meat. I've tried stopping. But it's hard. I very very rarely eat pig now, though, because when I started trying to stop I began with not eating pigs, then adding not eating cows, and so on, until I had cravings for hamburgers.. Anyway, I was able to refrain from pig enough that my tastes have developed into disgustedness at the flavor of ham/sausage/etc.
  
  So, really, I eat meat because my family eats meat, and therefore it is really hard NOT TO. Especially when most meals we have involve meat. Usually chicken. I can avoid beef most of the time. But not when we have hamburgers. -_- Plus homemade hamburgers are delicious.
  
  Late post is late?
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-03-03 01:51
  The biggest problem with vegans is, the massive intake of soy in their diet. Soy proteins contain isoflavones. That is an estrogen like compound that will effect your health. Now, unless you're a women going through menopause, and are low on estrogen. Avoid a diet high in soy! (btw, soy is in nearly all processed foods, happy eating she-men!)
• Lan wrote on 2012-03-03 02:33

  Quote from Scarlet;793828:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]

  
  
  1. Bullshit, here's why. Within our bodies we have billions if not trillions of organisms that live inside us, some good, some bad. It is our immune systems that keep them AT BAY, that's why when our immune systems are weakened we can easily get sick as these micro-organisms will start taking advantage of the weakened immune system to reproduce at a startling rate, producing toxins that further weaken us. Now what do you think happens when we die? Our immune systems are gone, not weakened, gone. This means we are now basically food for all the bacteria in our body to consume, and they do as soon as we die. So no our bodies are not sterile, we have too much things inside of us for our immune systems do deal with.
  
  2-3 Don't really feel like it but here I go. Diseases only come from chemicals and processing? More bullshit. There's something called food poisoning. Gonna stop here for now.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-03-03 03:06
  Well, I turned in my essay today. I took the stance that humans should not eat meat.
  
  I only did so to break the norm. There was only like 3 people that argued that people shouldn't eat any meat :lol:
  
  I wonder if I should post what I wrote, I liked what I wrote but ... I did procrastinate a bit on it. So, I'm a bit worried about the quality :oops:
  
  

  Quote from whocares8128;794243:

  So, a carnivore that also eats fruits and/or vegetables is an omnivore, while an herbivore that also eats meat is simply a bad vegan?
  
  Also, why are all the links for that article broken? They seem to point to (what had been) pro-vegan sites as well. I can't take such an article as a serious scientific endeavor.

  
  
  I was actually pointing more towards the taxonomy portion. The full article can be found here.
  
  Yes, the links are broken, but doing a search on it remedies that issue.
  
  

  Quote from NomadTrooper;794283:

  The biggest problem with vegans is, the massive intake of soy in their diet. Soy proteins contain isoflavones. That is an estrogen like compound that will effect your health. Now, unless you're a women going through menopause, and are low on estrogen. Avoid a diet high in soy! (btw, soy is in nearly all processed foods, happy eating she-men!)

  
  
  Interesting. There seems to be studies stating that isoflavones have no hormonal effects for men. Although there are conflicting studies for women.
  
  I should read more about it.~
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-03 03:10

  Quote from Lan;794323:

  1. Bullshit, here's why. Within our bodies we have billions if not trillions of organisms that live inside us, some good, some bad. It is our immune systems that keep them AT BAY, that's why when our immune systems are weakened we can easily get sick as these micro-organisms will start taking advantage of the weakened immune system to reproduce at a startling rate, producing toxins that further weaken us. Now what do you think happens when we die? Our immune systems are gone, not weakened, gone. This means we are now basically food for all the bacteria in our body to consume, and they do as soon as we die. So no our bodies are not sterile, we have too much things inside of us for our immune systems do deal with.
  
  2-3 Don't really feel like it but here I go. Diseases only come from chemicals and processing? More bullshit. There's something called food poisoning. Gonna stop here for now.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"] Those bacteria are only found in the stomach, which I wouldn't expect you to eat. You do NOT have bacteria floating around in your bloodstream, or you're already MATHERFAWKING DEAD DON'T CALL THIS BULLSHIT NUB! (Yes, I mad bro, you don't know wdf you're talking about). And I didn't say diseases ONLY come from chemicals and proccessing, I said MANY MODERN DISEASES COME FROM CHEMICALS AND PROCESSING, food poisoning doesn't happen because it's regulated by the FDA in the United States, if you live in some third world country where you get poisoned from meat, FK YOU[/FONT]
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-03-03 03:28

  Quote from Scarlet;794367:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"] Those bacteria are only found in the stomach, which I wouldn't expect you to eat. You do NOT have bacteria floating around in your bloodstream, or you're already MATHERFAWKING DEAD DON'T CALL THIS BULLSHIT NUB! (Yes, I mad bro, you don't know wdf you're talking about). And I didn't say diseases ONLY come from chemicals and proccessing, I said MANY MODERN DISEASES COME FROM CHEMICALS AND PROCESSING, food poisoning doesn't happen because it's regulated by the FDA in the United States, if you live in some third world country where you get poisoned from meat, FK YOU[/FONT]

  
  
  WHERE THE HELL DID THE DE-REP BUTTON GO.
  
  AMG YOU'RE SERIOUSLY PISSING ME OFF.
  
  [SIZE="7"]YOU ARE SO WRONG ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY.[/SIZE]
• Episkey wrote on 2012-03-03 03:35

  Quote from Scarlet;794367:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"] Those bacteria are only found in the stomach, which I wouldn't expect you to eat. You do NOT have bacteria floating around in your bloodstream, or you're already ******! [/FONT]

  
  
  Please. Calm down, Scarlet.
  
  Yes, you don't have bacteria in your bloodstream but I'm sure the possibility of meat being contaminated is still as likely.
  There's bacteria in the intestines as well, of course - cooking solves most, if not all of this.
  
  But I can't really see anyone just taking a piece of raw meat and chomping on it. Sure it's possible, but it isn't "sterile" or does not have bacteria/viral concerns. Also, if you think about the fact that parasites, such as worms, can pretty much call any part of your body their home ... Yeah.
  
  Also, most food poisoning (such as botulism or E.coli) are caused by bacteria.
  If anything, food chemicals and processing helps avoid these issues.