Should humans eat meat?

• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 05:32

  Quote from Bakuryu;789414:

  Everytime I see the how the meat industry in the USA is, I feel like puking. Over here it's more "decent".
  
  About the rabbit. Well fuck, I guess I would have a lost a lot of money, I still obviously believe it's utterly wrong, not to mention as humans we are smarter, we get to reason what's better for us. I'm not like other vegans trying to shove my believes into everyone, but I would definitely like if people at least gathered up the facts about how shitty that shit is for you AND THEN if you want to keep eating meat, well then it's up to you.
  I would love it if everyone watched the following video, WARNING, some strong images in there, there are warnings before these appear though.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
  After that, you can make your own educated decision.
  Turning to vegan wasn't that hard either, there's so many yummy recipes that make you forget about meat.

  
  
  Oh no, I'm not saying we should go around turning rabbits into carnivores. In fact they can't sustain life like that because they still need their veggies, and rabbits are incapable of hunting anyways.
  
  I just wanted to say that herbivores are capable of eating and enjoying meats. We're omnivores where we can choose what to eat, but turns out that is both a bad and a good thing because we need a balance of everything. And of course, carnivores could survive purely off meat substitutes as well.
  
  Anyways, meat isn't really bad for you. It has so many health benefits. Just... stop eating factory produced meat. Most of whats wrong with meat doesn't come from the animal, but the process in which it is made.
  
  You could always go to a butcher or make it yourself though. I'm actually really picky about the brands of meat I buy because I can't stand not knowing exactly where the meat came from. Its why I absolutely hate going to taco bell every month with my friends. I usually don't order anything with meat in it.
  
  And I always thoroughly cook the meat. I kinda do like my beef medium rare but I'll usually do it well done, and make sure at least all of the egg whites are cooked properly.
• Lan wrote on 2012-02-28 06:26

  Quote from Rin;789391:

  I'm not sure if our bodies are actually built as carnivores. After all, we don't have claws, do we? Nor do we run fast enough to chase down... a cow. I find little value in saying teeth are proof we are supposed to eat meat.
  
  For example, here's an orangutan's teeth:
  
  

  [Image: http://www.connecticutvalleybiological.com/images/sp2002.jpg]

  
  
  Obviously, they have canine-like teeth. But an orangutan's diet consists of fruits, nuts, and leaves. Therefore, I don't believe that just because humans have teeth that can tear through meat, means we're supposed to have a meat diet.
  
  Why is it we need fire to properly digest meat, compared to other carnivores? Why is it we have to build and use tools to hunt, rather than relying on our own bodies to hunt the prey?
  
  As for the question itself, I don't really have a formed opinion on this. Namely, because I'm considering eating a whole lot less meat and adapt more vegetarian options into my diet. And it works with many people today for a lifetime, hasn't it?
  
  But I guess humanity's too used to eating meat (and its taste) to think otherwise about what our diet originally was (like we ever found out yet). That's perfectly fine with me; meat nowadays is the cheapest and most abundant form of protein.
  
  If humanity's so accepting of meat, why restrict ourselves to land animals and seafood? Why not insects if we're so meat-accepting? It's amazing how adaptable humans are with survival, and thus their diet in general.

  
  
  Fire denatures the proteins in meat and make it easier to chew and digest :D I'm guessing we lack the proper digestive enzymes to properly digest proteins because we didn't need them any more, we had fire. Some monkeys (or apes) will just grab another monkey and eat them if they're craving meat :3 We lack the proper tools of carnivores because we were never designed for it, our increased brain mass led to (somehow) our decreased strength relative to other primates and the inability to switch on our strength limiter consciously (Only in times of great need, like lifting a car to save someone). Plus we're bipedal which really hampers any chance of out running prey, we developed sweat glands so we can outlast them instead.
  
  Anyway, I like meat too much to give it up. I think I'd hurt anyone if they made me try to give it up.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2012-02-28 08:08
  I'm a bit confused here. Where did this idea about eating raw meat making humans sick come from? If that were the case, then why is there steak tartare, sushi, raw oysters, etc.? I thought the primary reason for cooking meat is remove risks regarding foodborne illness that may be present in some animals or food (depending on how it was handled), that and it tastes pretty good cooked too.
  
  I eat meat, though usually only at one meal per day (if that). I don't believe it is necessary, and I know people who don't eat meat at all, but they also have to think much harder about their meals than I do. Also, I don't distinguish much between eating plants and eating animals, as they are both organisms/food to me.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-02-28 08:17
  Yes, I eat meat. Why? I would say it tastes great, but it's also a natural instinct to feed on other organisms, in order to obtain the nutrients necessary to carry out homeostasis and survive. Of course, these nutrients can be obtained by eating plants alone, but as a population if we were to all feed on plants then we would be occupying the same niche as another organism, and as a theory states, two organisms cannot occupy the same niche: either a species would go extinct, or have to move. In our case, the food source itself may also be run extinct. By feeding on other animals and reducing both populations of plant and animal organisms, we HELP to keep the ecosystem in natural balance, so that's... good? I don't know how to quite word this.
• Nithiel wrote on 2012-02-28 08:20
  I would rather shoot myself and everyone I know in the face then stop eating meat.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 08:45
  Humans are very capable of eating raw meat. They actually have in the past, and we still do today though not nearly as much.
  
  In fact, eating raw meat caused quite a bit of natural selection which increased our overall life span, supposedly.
  
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34433388/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/meat-may-be-reason-humans-outlive-apes/
• TA wrote on 2012-03-01 18:45

  Quote from whocares8128;789786:

  I'm a bit confused here. Where did this idea about eating raw meat making humans sick come from? If that were the case, then why is there steak tartare, sushi, raw oysters, etc.? I thought the primary reason for cooking meat is remove risks regarding foodborne illness that may be present in some animals or food (depending on how it was handled), that and it tastes pretty good cooked too.
  
  I eat meat, though usually only at one meal per day (if that). I don't believe it is necessary, and I know people who don't eat meat at all, but they also have to think much harder about their meals than I do. Also, I don't distinguish much between eating plants and eating animals, as they are both organisms/food to me.

  
  
  This is almost unrelated, but somewhat on topic: http://mabination.com/threads/33933-Processed-Meats-Cause-Cancer
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-03-02 15:06

  Quote from Bakuryu;788816:

  Human physiology matches that of a herbivore, not carnivore, not omnivorous. (Google Human herbivore, or something, Steve Pavlina, an amazing man, puts it simply, so google for that one, I won't bother explaining - And before someone tries to be a smartass and yells "canine teeth", all mammals have those, on herbivores they are more flattened than with carnivores, they are mostly used to bite on hard fruit, like apples. )
  
  A lot of common diseases would be non existent among humans if no one ate meat.
  
  Humans have been eating meat for a long time, because whenever the primitive man realized they can hunt an animal, cook it, and eat it. It was a great idea, more food for everyone, considering no farming technology had been invented yet, any food was great. And that has remained throughout the ages.
  Another fact, is that every single carnivore, is able to just hunt down some animal, and eat it raw. We can't, obviously, you'll get some serious stomach ache, because we don't have the stomach acidity for such a thing, not to mention chewing on the raw meat is going to be quite difficult for you.
  
  P.S: I'm Vegan, and lack of protein/vitamins, etc, are not a problem if you just google around for vegans recipes and stuff and educate yourself.
  
  edit: Here it is: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/
  (which, by the way, like the slogan suggests, the site is highly recommended for any intelligent person looking to improve oneself.)
  Oh, and about protein : http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/the-great-protein-myth/

  
  
  That's news to me, I guess I should stop eating raw meat. (raw meat is actually very tender and edible, several dishes around to world use raw meat. With solid meat, all you need to do is lightly brown the outside to kill any bacteria that may have grown during storage.) and OMG, Raw fish! I love fresh tuna and salmon. Fact my arse.
  
  Also, tempeh tastes like shit.
• Maenad wrote on 2012-03-02 15:08
  Humans are specifically evolved to be omnivores. We didn't evolve all this intelligence so we could eat beans to get our protein instead of hunting down intelligent prey.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 15:11

  Quote from NomadTrooper;793825:

  That's news to me, I guess I should stop eating raw meat. (raw meat is actually very tender and edible, several dishes around to world use raw meat. With solid meat, all you need to do is lightly brown the outside to kill any bacteria that may have grown during storage.)
  
  Also, tempeh tastes like shit.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 15:11

  Quote from NomadTrooper;793825:

  That's news to me, I guess I should stop eating raw meat. (raw meat is actually very tender and edible, several dishes around to world use raw meat. With solid meat, all you need to do is lightly brown the outside to kill any bacteria that may have grown during storage.)
  
  Also, tempeh tastes like shit.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-03-02 15:44

  Quote from Scarlet;793828:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]

  
  
  Keep talking out of your ass. You managed to list 3 facts that weren't facts at all. Way to go.
• Scarlet wrote on 2012-03-02 15:50

  Quote from The Hero Luka;793850:

  Keep talking out of your ass. You managed to list 3 facts that weren't facts at all. Way to go.

  
  
  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Silence, fool; you must go through desperate measures to prevent people from going veggie! And just wondering, which 3 facts weren't facts?[/FONT]
• Chockeh wrote on 2012-03-02 15:53

  Quote from Scarlet;793829:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]

  
  
  Ewww... I think that I'm going to stay away from meat for a little while.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-03-02 15:55

  Quote from Scarlet;793829:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"]Don't believe the stupid vegan; if you're consuming a healthy animal, that animal has its own immune system which is capable of killing viruses and bacteria, and is STERILE. Only nasty shiet like cockroaches and vultures and scavenging animals might be bad, and they have the ability to eat nasty crap as well, without suffering from diseases. It's also healthy to get a good amount of protein and iron from meat, and diseases nowadays are mostly caused by chemicals added to food, not meat.[/FONT]

  
  
  1. "Meat is sterile because of its own immune system."
  
  2. "Only scavenging animals are bad"
  
  3. "Diseases are only from chemicals and processing"
  
  All false.