Banker’s Insulting Waitress Tip Incites Class Warfare Between the 1% and the 99%

• Episkey wrote on 2012-02-28 09:54
  My Comp teacher just emailed the class this article and we are supposed to discuss it in class on Wednesday. :chin:
  
  I personally tip 10-15%, I mean come on. They did serve your food and everything, waiters/waitresses main source of income is via these tips. If it was horrible service, you would be better off directly telling said server why it was horrible, not via writing "Get a real job."
  
  Quite frankly, without said job - you wouldn't be able to enjoy a restaurant outing.
  
  
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]Of course, I think I'll try and come up with a solid yet not-typical opinion of this. That way I can claim intellectual superiority over my fellow classmates! :point:
  
  Just kidding. I'm not that kind of person.[/SPOILER]
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 09:56

  Quote from Juno;789895:

  The problem isn't with the tip. If you and TA are missing that, you should really work on your people skills.

  
  
  lol I'll have to agree with this statement.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 10:18

  Quote from Juno;789895:

  The problem isn't with the tip. If you and TA are missing that, you should really work on your people skills.

  
  Excuse me? :l
  
  How do I owe someone extra money just because I'm supposed to feel bad for their crappy position? That's ridiculous. I worked for my money too and by demanding I give a tip on top of the money I already owe for the bill, you're being unfair to me. I find it absolutely insane that anyone would expect such a thing. Should I start giving tips to cashiers for doing their job? Should I start giving tips to firemen for doing their jobs? Being a fireman is a far more important job, so I think I should.
  
  If you work as a waiter and have shitty pay, bother the one who's actually responsible for it, your employer, instead of trying to leech off of randoms to compensate for internal issues with the way the business works. I find it somewhat offensive that someone could expect I give them extra money just because they're oh so wonderful, wrote a few things down, and carried some food out to me, just like they were already being paid (albeit, poorly) to do. If it's such an issue that it requires extra money to do it when I'm already paying the restaurant to do it, I'll just write down what I want and carry the food back to my table myself. Oh, but I guess I should be thankful that they didn't spit on my food or treat me like an asshole when I was trying to be nice to them. I should be happy that they actually did the job they were employed to do without going out of their way to mess up my day.
  
  If you're talking about the fact that the guy left a snobby note, that's another problem altogether and neither of us were talking about that. Of course he shouldn't have been a jerk. I didn't post anything about it because it's common sense and people already mentioned it.
• Juno wrote on 2012-02-28 10:24
  I just said you didn't owe them extra money. Therefore, I spared myself the discomfort of reading the two paragraphs assuming I said quite the opposite.
  
  J/k, but I'm not responding to it .-.
  
  The snobby note and the tip in conjunction were what did it. Not leaving a tip says "I don't care about this social norm." Leaving a small tip says "You suck, and your mother does too." Add the note in, and we have an offense greater than the sum of it's parts.
  
  No one (reasonable) is upset because he left a small tip.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 10:32
  Well, of course, but people often argue (and have been arguing here) that tipping is a necessity, or at least that people "should".
  
  The title of the news article is also deceptive and should be more along the lines of "Banker's Insulting Waitress Note Incites Class Warfare Between the 1% and the 99%". Yes, I read the story and watched the video before posting, but I just thought I should mention that.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 10:32

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;789931:

  Excuse me? :l
  
  How do I owe someone extra money just because I'm supposed to feel bad for their crappy position? That's ridiculous. I worked for my money too and by demanding I give a tip on top of the money I already owe for the bill, you're being unfair to me. I find it absolutely insane that anyone would expect such a thing. Should I start giving tips to cashiers for doing their job? Should I start giving tips to firemen for doing their jobs? Being a fireman is a far more important job, so I think I should.
  
  If you work as a waiter and have shitty pay, bother the one who's actually responsible for it, your employer, instead of trying to leech off of randoms to compensate for internal issues with the way the business works. I find it somewhat offensive that someone could expect I give them extra money just because they're oh so wonderful, wrote a few things down, and carried some food out to me, just like they were already being paid (albeit, poorly) to do. If it's such an issue that it requires extra money to do it when I'm already paying the restaurant to do it, I'll just write down what I want and carry the food back to my table myself. Oh, but I guess I should be thankful that they didn't spit on my food or treat me like an asshole when I was trying to be nice to them. I should be happy that they actually did the job they were employed to do without going out of their way to mess up my day.
  
  If you're talking about the fact that the guy left a snobby note, that's another problem altogether and neither of us were talking about that. Of course he shouldn't have been a jerk. I didn't post anything about it because it's common sense and people already mentioned it.

  
  
  I love how Juno says you completely missed the point, and you respond by showing exactly how much you missed the point.
  
  Money has nothing to do with why this news is a problem. He could've not tipped her at all and it would've actually been better.
  
  What he did was hand her money covered in his own shit.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 10:35

  Quote from The Hero Luka;789943:

  I love how Juno says you completely missed the point, and you respond by showing exactly how much you missed the point.
  
  Money has nothing to do with why this news is a problem. He could've not tipped her at all and it would've actually been better.
  
  What he did was hand her money covered in his own shit.

  
  He's bringing up something I made no mention of, that's one reason I didn't talk about it much. But I went ahead and responded to the point I never spoke of anyway, so you're incorrect in saying that.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 10:41
  [abandon]i can't believe this[/abandon]
  
  I looked at your previous posts and thought about writing several paragraphs to explain why I'm not incorrect then realized it would be such a terrible headache to bother.
  
  I'm done with this thread.
  
  It should've been obvious what the true nature of the problem behind this entire issue was, and it really wasn't anything that has to do with whether he should've tipped her more, or whether we should be required to tip.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 10:43

  Quote from The Hero Luka;789956:

  [abandon]i can't believe this[/abandon]
  
  I looked at your previous posts and thought about writing several paragraphs to explain why I'm not incorrect then realized it would be such a terrible headache to bother.

  
  Then why did you even post?
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-28 10:44

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;789957:

  Then why did you even post?

  
  
  [abandon]to remind you how horrible wrong you are.[/abandon]
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 10:52

  Quote from The Hero Luka;789959:

  [abandon]to remind you how horrible wrong you are.[/abandon]

  
  Okay, but that doesn't change my opinion in the slightest. Just because you say I'm wrong and refuse to talk about it doesn't make you right.
  

  It should've been obvious what the true nature of the problem behind this entire issue was, and it really wasn't anything that has to do with whether he should've tipped her more, or whether we should be required to tip.

  
  The point you missed is that more than one topic was being discussed. Both quickly became relevant to this thread. You clearly weren't paying much attention to what was written.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2012-02-28 10:56

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;789931:

  Excuse me? :l
  
  How do I owe someone extra money just because I'm supposed to feel bad for their crappy position? That's ridiculous. I worked for my money too and by demanding I give a tip on top of the money I already owe for the bill, you're being unfair to me. I find it absolutely insane that anyone would expect such a thing. Should I start giving tips to cashiers for doing their job? Should I start giving tips to firemen for doing their jobs? Being a fireman is a far more important job, so I think I should.
  
  If you work as a waiter and have shitty pay, bother the one who's actually responsible for it, your employer, instead of trying to leech off of randoms to compensate for internal issues with the way the business works. I find it somewhat offensive that someone could expect I give them extra money just because they're oh so wonderful, wrote a few things down, and carried some food out to me, just like they were already being paid (albeit, poorly) to do. If it's such an issue that it requires extra money to do it when I'm already paying the restaurant to do it, I'll just write down what I want and carry the food back to my table myself. Oh, but I guess I should be thankful that they didn't spit on my food or treat me like an asshole when I was trying to be nice to them. I should be happy that they actually did the job they were employed to do without going out of their way to mess up my day.
  
  If you're talking about the fact that the guy left a snobby note, that's another problem altogether and neither of us were talking about that. Of course he shouldn't have been a jerk. I didn't post anything about it because it's common sense and people already mentioned it.

  
  
  You don't owe anyone anything. You have the option of tipping them. It's expected (as a cultural norm) but it's not required. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for a change. You don't rely on the good will of other people in order to make a living. If you did you probably wouldn't make a close minded statement like that.
  
  It's never a good idea to lose the trust of the public. I seriously hope someone fucks that banker up.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 11:06

  Quote from Kaeporo;789973:

  You don't owe anyone anything. You have the option of tipping them. It's expected (as a cultural norm) but it's not required. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for a change. You don't rely on the good will of other people in order to make a living. If you did you probably wouldn't make a close minded statement like that.

  
  Closed minded? These people shouldn't have to rely on the good will of random people to make a living. They should be demanding more from the ones who pay their paychecks. They deserve better and they shouldn't stand for it. By trying to make them survive on tips, we're just evading the real problem.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2012-02-28 11:21

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;789988:

  Closed minded? These people shouldn't have to rely on the good will of random people to make a living. They should be demanding more from the ones who pay their paychecks. They deserve better and they shouldn't stand for it. By trying to make them survive on tips, we're just evading the real problem.

  
  
  They have to rely on the good will of random people to make a living. If they try to demand more form the people who pay their paychecks you can be certain that their boss will just look for someone to replace them. Everyone needs jobs these days, right?
  
  Stop living in a fairy tale land where everything should make sense and face reality. If you fail to tip someone, the only person you're screwing over is the person you failed to tip. You're not making some sort of meaningful political statement. You're just being a dick.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-28 11:36
  I'm not trying to make a political statement. I'm just not complying with cultural nonsense because I don't feel it's my duty to compensate for poor business practices.
  
  If someone's willing to work for that little of money, great. However, such a thing would be illegal, as there's a minimum wage. It shouldn't be accepted as a social (or legal) norm that tips can compensate for that and bring them up to minimum wage. Tips should be an act of kindness when someone goes above and beyond what they're expected to do at their job rather than just getting it over with and not being jerks.