Mans Exposes His Autistic Child Being Abused by Teachers at School

• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-04-24 05:20
  [video=youtube;tfkscHt96R0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkscHt96R0&feature=colike[/video]
• TA wrote on 2012-04-24 06:01
  I know some people are going to really dislike this, but... I don't really care about people Autistism and other severe mental disorders; I feel that without the full faculties of a normal human being, they should have never been allowed the cruelty of living. They will never be human.
  
  They should have never been allowed to have been born to begin with. We allowed it to happen. We shouldn't have.
  
  As a species, even as a society, we should prevent their cruel births into this world until a time when they can be corrected prior to birth so that they can be born normal.
  
  You can say that they deserve to live, but no, they don't deserve to live. It's too cruel.
  
  Would you want to live if you had to live like that?
  
  No matter how society tries to nurture them, they will always know the resounding truth: they will never be like everyone else. They will never fit into our society, they can't. They weren't made right. The pieces didn't all go together correctly. Something went wrong. Perhaps some can't even understand that much, but we can for them.
  
  It's like the child that was born without a brain, being kept around, and for what? It has no brain. It will never do anything or amount to anything. It is cruel.
  
  It is more cruel to allow them to be born and have to live that way than to prevent their birth to begin with.
• Taycat wrote on 2012-04-24 06:05
  So would you rather we all killed those withe very mental disability ever?
  
  Including ADD or ADHD or anything else?
  
  And if I may say, you sound a lot like Hitler, TA.
• Cannibal wrote on 2012-04-24 06:09
  That's such fucking bullshit, TA. Comparing someone with autism to someone without a brain? Even you yourself should see how stupid that is.
  
  Plenty of people with autism are functioning members of this society. Some of them, you wouldn't even be able to tell if you didn't know already. Shit, I know of at least one person on these forums who is autistic. My little 10 year old sister is autistic. Because she doesn't think the way other people do, she shouldn't be allowed to live?
  
  She fits in with the other kids at school. She's actually one of the more popular students. Everyone loves her. She's rarely in trouble. Sure, she has quirks. She breaks down in situations she can't handle. Her IQ is significantly lower than all of her classmates. She doesn't learn the way they do. But, she's fine. She enjoys her life and she's typically a happy kid. So, because her brain is different, she shouldn't be allowed to live? Grow up.
• Strawberry wrote on 2012-04-24 06:17
  Someone who has high-functioning autism with Asperger's Syndrome can live a successful life, like everyone else can.
  
  There are therapies and whatnot at a earlier time that can try to improve things, could make a difference in their social skills, behaviours, etc. Everyone deserves to be given a chance.
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-04-24 06:20

  Quote from TA:

  No matter how society tries to nurture them, they will always know the resounding truth: they will never be like everyone else.

  
  
  No, the only reason they would have that asinine thought in their head is because of ignorant people like you. Seriously? You're saying they can't be human, but to tell you the truth I think you're less of a human than they are. Who are you to judge what someone's life is worth? Saying they shouldn't be alive, that's really atrocious behavior.
  
  Hearing that audio was so depressing, and it made me angry. Those women should NOT be teachers, and I'm aggravated that they still are. People who treat others like that because they're mentally different disgust me. Hearing how hurt Akian was, as well as his father just got to me. I don't understand how people can think they're above reproach, or they're better than someone because of a mental handicap.
• Chillax wrote on 2012-04-24 06:24

  Quote from TA;846842:

  I know some people are going to really dislike this, but... I don't really care about people Autistism and other severe mental disorders; I feel that without the full faculties of a normal human being, they should have never been allowed the cruelty of living. They will never be human.
  
  They should have never been allowed to have been born to begin with. We allowed it to happen. We shouldn't have.
  
  As a species, even as a society, we should prevent their cruel births into this world until a time when they can be corrected prior to birth so that they can be born normal.
  
  You can say that they deserve to live, but no, they don't deserve to live. It's too cruel.
  
  Would you want to live if you had to live like that?
  
  No matter how society tries to nurture them, they will always know the resounding truth: they will never be like everyone else. They will never fit into our society, they can't. They weren't made right. The pieces didn't all go together correctly. Something went wrong. Perhaps some can't even understand that much, but we can for them.
  
  It's like the child that was born without a brain, being kept around, and for what? It has no brain. It will never do anything or amount to anything. It is cruel.
  
  It is more cruel to allow them to be born and have to live that way than to prevent their birth to begin with.

  
  
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• Sekwaf wrote on 2012-04-24 06:40
  Bullshit TA. I've known quite a few people with varying degrees of mental disabilities. Some, you couldn't even notice, they seemed perfectly normal except they may not understand a joke or two. Others... they wouldn't talk and they may always have that stupid look on their face, but they understood what I was saying, and they could do what they were asked, as long as it wasn't rocket science. Many of these disabilities can be cured through therapy and counseling, once again, making people with them into successful business owners, singers, social workers, or whatever the hell they feel like being. The most recent major example was James Durbin...yeah, does he look like a sub-human wretch to you?
  
  Another thing, people with such diseases are much more likely to be highly gifted in other areas. 10% of people with autism are savants. And nearly 100% of savants have some severe mental disability. Take Derek Paravicini for example. He's both blind and is autistic, yet in his memory he has every song he has ever heard, and can play it on command without flaw. This was even tested by having him listen to an original piece that had never been heard and then have him play it; the performance was perfect.
  
  Now where's that negative rep button so I can spam the hell out of it?
• Cynic wrote on 2012-04-24 06:59
  It's not really cruel to let them live as long as they enjoy life. The only reason they're subject to any form of cruelty is because some humans are mindless fucks who enjoy picking on those who do not fit into their definition of the social norm. If you ask me, the only people who do not belong in this world are the very people who make life so cruel for people who are different.
  
  Sure, it's in our nature to nitpick, analyze and basically judge other humans, but there is a huge difference between judging and outright bullying someone. You can't really try and tell me that it is in our nature to harass and demean innocent humans for such retarded reasons. Now if we were to judge people such as rapists and murderers, then yeah, I would agree that it is in our nature. Just as it should be.
  
  But there's no reason to judge someone for such a trivial reason. Humans have no right to judge others based on their race, sex, gender, sexuality, and in some cases, their beliefs. Mental disorders are kind of a split subject, but unless the mental disorder is something harmful like psychopathy or BPD, then my point stands.
  
  If we go around judging and weeding everyone out who has some form of mental illness, we'd have barely anyone left in the world. Yeah, mental disorders suck and should be eliminated, but that shouldn't include eliminating the actual people.
  
  As long as they're not an actual harm to society, there's no reason to judge or get rid of them.
  
  Hell, if you really want to rid the world of people, target groups of people who are actually unworthy of life; people like Hitler, serial killers, child molesters, etc..
  
  But there's really no legit reason to target people who cause no real harm.
• Conor wrote on 2012-04-24 07:17

  Quote from TA;846842:

  
  It is more cruel to allow them to be born and have to live that way than to prevent their birth to begin with.

  
  I didn't know you had the credential to speak on behalf of everyone and anyone ever who had or will have been born with any degree of disability. It's repulsive enough that you believe certain people deserve to live more than others, but trying to assess that before birth?
  I laughed at

  They will never be human.

  . I had no idea that Autism put people into a different species. At least I know now!
  
  Your post is really hard for me to take seriously 'cause to me you sound like some sort of crazy villian or angsty teen from a poorly scripted movie.. I'd say your view on human life is too negative, but according to you people with Autism don't qualify as human.
• ShadowFox31 wrote on 2012-04-24 07:35
  All I'm going to chime in on, is that TA, you really need to be a little more nicer in the way of delivering news. If you really feel that way about autism people, that's fine. That's your own opinion and you should stick to it, but you need to understand that being blunt isn't meant for certain topics. Autism really hits home with some people, and so you should be nicer to those people. if you really think they are not considered human, that's fine but you should definitely learn to to incorporate the thoughts of others.
• TA wrote on 2012-04-24 07:38

  Quote from Mythical Detective Loki;846844:

  So would you rather we all killed those withe very mental disability ever?
  
  Including ADD or ADHD or anything else?
  
  And if I may say, you sound a lot like Hitler, TA.

  
  
  

  Quote from TA;846842:

  Autistism and other severe mental disorders; ...without the full faculties of a normal human being

  
  
  Last I checked, people with ADD/ADHD have their full faculties.
  
  As for the Hitler comment, I'm aware eugenics became unpopular after having been exclusively associated with Nazi Germany, but there's really nothing wrong with the idea itself.
  
  It was practiced in Sparta, and it is practiced in nature. At birth, the sickly and the puny are discarded; though, I didn't even mention something to that extreme.
  
  It's no more genocide than birth control. There are extremes, of course, which involve genocide. But eugenics itself doesn't inherently involve it. It's simply separating the wheat from the chaff.
  
  If they were never born to begin with, then it isn't exactly as if you're going around killing people; unfortunately, our detection for some of these things isn't advanced enough to be detected until possibly multiple years after birth - this is a problem.
  
  If it cannot be detected prior to birth, then the birth cannot be prevented. This, in turn, results in genocide, which I'm not endorsing. Those already alive should not be affected. It should simply be a prevention.
  
  So while detection methods would be useful, what would be ideal would be treatments that can cure these diseases.
  
  Exterminating someone with a severe mental disability, I suppose, would be a bit like exterminating a pet. Still not right. But in the case of the prior, it's being put down due to a defect in its genetic makeup that will severely disable it (to prevent it from having to be born as such and live its life like that), and not simply because it's unwanted or some other reason.
  
  You guys let your own pity for other living things really cloud your reason...
  
  I wouldn't want to bring a child into this world knowing it would be retarded or severely deformed or disabled, in the same way that I wouldn't want that for myself.
  
  I'm talking about prevention at an early stage, prior to birth, and only prior to birth. Something in line with detection tests for all kinds of disorders and diseases, and therapies to correct this while still in the womb prior to birth. The more severe ones, are the ones that are most in need of such preventative therapies.
  
  If you knew someone would be born with their foot on their face, no arms, and severe organ troubles that would have them die before their 10th birthday, would you say that they should be allowed to be born and live like that, or would you think that it should be prevented such a cruel existence, or (ideally) corrected?
  
  

  Quote from Conor:

  I had no idea that Autism put people into a different species.

  
  
  I say it not from a biological level. I ask you: What does it mean to be human?
  
  The ability to communicate and reason; love, compassion, hate, intelligence, war, art, language, and so on. The many things that make us "human."
  
  Sure, you could make a genetic shell that resembles us, but without our mind, our nature, would we truly be "human?"
  
  I think human is a mental condition.
  
  Without these things and others, we are not really human. We may exist, but we wouldn't be human.
  
  So unfortunately, I can't call those that lack the basic abilities that make us humans.... human. They are sub-human, at best. At worst.... a genetic mistake.
• Ithiliel wrote on 2012-04-24 07:43

  Quote from TA:

  You guys let your own pity for other living things really cloud your reason...

  
  
  And you let your inability to care for others cloud your reason.
• TA wrote on 2012-04-24 08:00

  Quote from Ithiliel;846874:

  And you let your inability to care for others cloud your reason.

  
  
  Empathy is a meaningless human delusion.
  
  Reason is not clouded by reason. It's your emotions that clouds reason.
  
  Something as useless as emotions, we never needed them to begin with. A species without such things would be far superior. From a design perspective, it is a horrible flaw, and among our greatest weakness.
  
  Emotions cause illogical actions.
  
  A knife is being swung at your lover. You dive in front and save them, taking the mortal wound yourself. You die.
  
  Was this action logical? No, it was emotional. When emotions become involved, reason is clouded, if not thrown completely out the window.
  
  Don't delude yourself into believing otherwise.
• Cynic wrote on 2012-04-24 08:02
  If there ever comes a time where we're able to detect it before birth (the sooner the better considering how most people react to the subject of abortion), then yeah, I don't really see anything wrong with it if it's for the sake of the child and not due to the selfishness of the parent(s). It really all boils down to the intentions of the person rather than the act itself. (i.e. in the same way euthanizing someone who's suffering a slow, painful death is extremely different from randomly killing a person)
  
  At the end of the day it should still be up to the parents, though. It would be great if we could find a "cure" for it all and never have to worry about it in the future. But since it's kind of hard to know just what those disabled people feel.. who are we to say that they aren't happy in their own way?
  
  I've seen many couples who have learned to live happy lives with their disabled child and vice versa. The thought of humans ceasing their unnecessary cruelty is unrealistic, though. So I guess it all depends; which scenario is better for the child? Which is necessary and which isn't? Can we wait that long until we find a potential "cure"?
  
  Who knows.
  
  But I doubt most people would agree to it. Morality is a double-sided blade.